The following is mostly a reply I gave in someone else's thread. I wanted to share it without risking the other threadfolk getting backlash.

Concerning whether or not US-Americans know and/or care that yesterday could easily have been the start of WWIII/a global nuclear event:

A lot of us care and are aware. Enough that we were checking the news every few mins yesterday & dreading the approach of 8pm EST.

Please don't paint all US-Americans with the same brush of dismissive judgment....

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....An uncounted but large number of us have been fighting this as hard as we know how for more than 10 years. We are scared, exhausted, and despairing, and there aren't enough words for us to say how deeply sorry we are that our government is menacing the whole world.

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#AmericanPerspective
#WarIsHell
#25thAmmendmentNOW

@courtcan

with the caveat that if, as an american, you do not vote, because you value punishing the democrats for being spineless (and they are), over preventing {gestures broadly}, you are a piece of shit

you want better than the milquetoast bullshit the democrats offer

i do too

but we are only going to get there by showing up, especially in the primaries, and iterating to better over time

"i want perfect now or i'm not participating!" is not a moral position

it's being an immature child

@benroyce @courtcan Republicans could remove Trump but are afraid to. They are the spineless ones.

@Oldfartrant @courtcan

Indeed. Centrist Republicans are spineless. Centrist Democrats are spineless. Meanwhile MAGA is turbocharged and the American left is despondent and dissipated. Some of this is due to plutocracy: they pump money into MAGA and they control traditional media and social media. One response to this is cynical defeatism. But I say the left should take over the Democrats. Job #1 for that is shut down these pathetic voices on the left that are useless whiny entitled cynics

@benroyce @Oldfartrant @courtcan only my party the #Greens are winning. The price of oil will be excessive until *at least* 2028. And that means, more solar and wind adoption. Less shipping and more local economic development! Weird, we didn't even get elected and the #uniparty $#!+ all over itself and gave us a victory ✌️. Have I said how much I love our #EV which is $10 to fully charge when using our house?

@stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

no

i want 3rd parties but to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

rcv is creeping in, but until then we have to focus on taking over the democrats

in an FPTP voting system, we only have a choice between 2 parties

it's not corruption, it's just math

the left splintering into different parties is as fatal for us as leftists not voting

"you want us to support spineless democrats!"

no, i want us to show up in the fucking primaries and replace them

@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan
I think the easiest way to explain it is, remember Ross Perot? That’s how the right wing lost to Bill Clinton, the independent difference was split. Then remember The Tea Party and MAGA? That’s how the right wing took over the GOP, they replaced all the individual candidates with their own in the primaries, and stuck with a 50 state, up and down the ticket strategy. Even school boards. Behind the scenes, billionaires funded and organized the whole thing.
@suzannealdrich
Perot is the perfect example of why 3rd parties are a.non-starter anywhere outside of county-level races without some form.of RCV. He won basically 19% of the national popular vote and not a single EC vote out of it all. Over 99% of state and federal legislative and executive seats are won by either the Democratic or Republican nominee and not one 3rd party was on the ballot in all 50 states in 2024.
@benroyce @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

@baronvonj @suzannealdrich @stalbaum @Oldfartrant @courtcan

thus, all 3rd party voices in the USA are working for Putin or MAGA. or are embarrassingly uneducated about how our stupid FPTP system works. deeply cringe because it's not hard to understand

i want 3rd parties

to get 3rd parties we need ranked choice voting

until we get rcv, which makes 3rd parties viable, anyone voting 3rd party now in the USA on the left is helping MAGA win by dividing the left vote

that's the cold hard truth

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan you can tell yourself that, it is a long time #democrat whine and we all hear you

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

tell myself what?

reality?

reality is merely a whine you say?

i despise centrist democrats

i am articulating how leftists can take over the dems

it's the only feasible way forward

you meanwhile have... feelings

your brain is AWOL

when you vote 3rd party, in our stupid FPTP system, you divide the left vote and hand MAGA a win

you are a MAGA supporter

not in thought, but in action, you are

stop being immature and fucking think

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan tell yourself some of us joined the #greens when #democrats were still a climate change denying party then check in on reality 🔥

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

ok, i'll check in on reality for you:

the democrats were bad on the environment at one point, so you're fine with ignoring the reality of an FPTP voting system and voting green and handing our country to fascists

because of your precious fee fees

you prioritize your feelings over the USA becoming fascist

you're a selfish, MAGA supporting piece of shit

you don't support MAGA in words, but you do in action

how'd i do?

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan well, do you know how #Trump treats our allies, as if Britain and Spain and France are his vassals. Remember how mad he was that his vassals would not do his bidding? That is you today, that is how you are doing. You are telling an ally that you are fine without them. But I'm the #maga? Tell me more, daddy! Should I go down on you now or make you a sammich?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

Trump is in power partly because of nonvoters and 3rd party voters

I don't like that, but that's the cold hard reality of our stupid voting system

You won't accept reality, because you value your feelings and ignorance over what we must do to fight fascism. You're selfish, you're entitled, and you work hard for MAGA. You don't understand how, because you're ignorant. Or you don't care, because you're fine with fascism

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan ok captain, you are the reality police just like Donald Trump. So do you like mayo with that? Oh, should I ask another of your allies to get that for you boss?

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

when you write that pile of incoherent middle school kid vibing, do you feel that it protects you from the reality that your actions support trump and fascism?

what other aspects of reality do you think you successfully block out with middle school edgelord word salad?

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan I think it is very clear, you demand loyalty. Just like a #maga. Part of the failing of the #Democratic party is this $#!++!&9 on allies. But I will say it again, it is a very good day for us #greens. That a #democrat is bitching and demanding compliance tells us a lot about why so many in this country are so lukewarm about you. We are not here to serve you, we are here to join with you when it is in our interest. I think you get it now

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

why would i demand loyalty to corporatist democrats i despise?

i am a leftist. i want the left to win in the usa

we do that by taking over the democratic party

but we can't do that

why?

because of losers who don't vote

and losers who vote 3rd party

do you understand me now?

or do you want to continue immature vibing with lies and ignorance denying the reality of a 3rd party vote in an FPTP voting system:

you help MAGA win

@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan and Spain won't help #maga because they are, Spain. I am not sure you are picking up what I am laying down here, but in case it wasn't clear, #greens are not your subsidiary. We are happy to be allies where we can, allyship is something we have actually thought through:-) So call me names if you like, you are obviously building something 😂

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

you're not my ally

you're an ally of MAGA

please listen carefully:

in an FPTP voting system the existence of a 3rd party can only act as a spoiler. which means when you steal leftists away from the democrats, the democrats get less votes

thus, you ensure MAGA wins

do you understand?

it's not my feelings

it's hard cold math

the greens in ranked choice are wonderful

*i want that*

but now, in FPTP?

the greens are rat poison

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

please watch. the title is just edgy, it's democracy positive

it described FPTP

why ranked choice is better

it describes better systems

i go with ranked choice because it has a head of steam in the usa

i want you to vote your conscience free and clear

to say "fuck that" to dreary strategy and the sucky dems

but you can't as long as we are FPTP

PLEASE:

educate yourself

stop helping MAGA with 3rd party

https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk

Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible

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@benroyce @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan Your shouting solipsism sounds like #Trump, but thankfully the gaslighting is visible to all! You can call me #maga all day, tantrums are tantrums, whether on Truth Social or Mastodon, the parallels between you and the Donald are very clear.

@stalbaum @baronvonj @suzannealdrich @Oldfartrant @courtcan

solipsism

gaslighting

i am describing to you math

if 10 people vote, and 4 for GOP, and 6 for dems, dems win

if 10 people vote, 4 for GOP, 3 for dems, 2 don't vote, and 1 goes green, GOP wins

do you understand you fucking moron?

say "solipsism" and "gaslighting" one more time you MAGA fuck troll. YOU are truth social. are you enjoying the trump presidency you wanted and worked hard for you fascist ass?