LOL!
1. the term " #Ubermensch" was coopted by the #Nazis, don't use it
2. Still today, the stereotypical #Nietzsche fan is a pathetic #rightWing " #alphaMale" turd shallowly servicing their male insecurities to *conform*
3. But the original idea: a self-mastering individual creating their own values
4. #AlysaLiu quit #figureSkating because it was toxic. Then she returned on her own terms, for her own joy, fuck the world
You don't have to like Nietzsche, it's a sly roast of #MAGA losers
right!
back before, or while, the term's original intent got destroyed by the nazis
the term wiggled over into english via an american jew and a canadian jew before wwii to describe a guy in their comics who punches nazis
history is complicated
@benroyce @Eetschrijver Vaughn was having a bit of fun there. Notice Vaughn, the writer, having the character pointedly say that the artist does the REAL work.
Canadian fans are legitimate believers though. The similarities between Shuster’s design of Metropolis and Toronto, his aunt Lois, and so on have often been pointed out. Also, Superman stamps and coins have been issued in Canada, based on the connection.
You guys get wolverine, deadpool, and sabretooth. And superman? Not fair! (/s) 😆
i agree
the unfortunate truth though is the usual nietzsche fanboy today hews to the way in which the nazis were nietzsche fanboys: all in the name of shallow superficial toxic masculinity, fascism, bigotry. little desire to truly understand
we both understand the difference between nietzche's intent and what became of his words
but we still have to be careful with nietzsche fans today because of the fascist assholes who have planted their asses on the topic
even though original intent and how words are interpreted are two separate forces, the original intent does not negate the popular usage of someone's work
we run the risk of accommodating fascist assholes, so we have to stay wary of nietzsche because we want nothing to do with his fans
it's more of a lesson in the twisty ways of history, and how things are always complicated
@benroyce @mayintoronto @archivescribe Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi (his sister was and that's why he was co-opted), but he was extremely reactionary.
So, yes: not a Nazi, not an anti-semite (probably), but to be treated with caution. His iconoclastic views against Christianity and philosophy in general are eye-opening, but swallowing his writing whole without criticism is not recommended.
@flipper @mayintoronto @archivescribe
well said
i mostly posted the meme to roast MAGA losers on their terms, not rehabilitate nietzsche
@benroyce It's because so many mediocre ass-clowns quote and misquote Nietzsche to buttress their nonsensical hatreds, and it's been going on for so long, that I have always kept my fondness for the man and his work close to my chest.
One of the earliest to reject systematizing philosophy, a wicked wit, a strong thinker, an even better writer, there is a great deal in his work that I admire.
we can both appreciate doing things on our own terms and arriving at our own morality
but fascist and bigots just took nietzsche to mean "it's ok to be a fascist bigot!" and abandon morality
morons ruin everything
now we have to be wary of anyone who is a fan of nietzsche
@GeePawHill @benroyce This started before Nietzsche was even dead. His brother-in-law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_F%C3%B6rster ) was an antisemite who tried to start an 'Aryan' colony. When he killed himself, his wife and Nietzsche's sister Elizabeth tried to portray him as a hero.
She tried to do the same in her portrayal of her brother to the German Nationalists (future Nazis) soon afterward.
Meanwhile, Nietzsche once described himself as an 'Anti-antisemite.' He HATED the German Nationalists. HATED them.
Everything gets twisted by the stupid and evil
they don't read anything. they don't even read the bible yet call themselves christian, then make a mockery of what jesus said
they're all morons going on vibes programmed like robots by fox news and social media trolls
Correct but it's a general term today, like "idiot"
the r word was originally crafted as a neutral term and now of course is vile ableism
If someone said "i can use the r word with neutral intent because history" you wouldn't buy that
Likewise the contemporary use of the word "moron" is independent of its history
We can't fixate on historical meanings (many words have this problem) in attempt to find malice where there is none. It's just etymologically interesting
@Kierkegaanks @obscurestar @stib
some people go out of their way to look for offense
there is enough genuinely malicious offense in the world as it is, why invent and contrive offense where none exists
an excellent write up on the vile history of the word "moron" says
"All three words (moron, imbecile, and idiot) now function as general insults"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/moron-idiot-imbecile-offensive-history
i don't understand why people can't understand etymology is etymology, and current use and meaning is the only standard
definition of moron:
see: trump
definition of idiot:
see: trump
definition of imbecile:
see: trump
@amiserabilist @Kierkegaanks @obscurestar @stib
don't forget the time north korea tried to insult trump in his first term
they used some sort of archaic korean-english translation mechanism
and wound up with an old outdated musty term
that turned out to be unintentional genius:
dotard
the entire english speaking world was like "what?"
then much lol
@stib @Kierkegaanks @obscurestar
but it's not an education on a meaning of a word, it's a diseducation on how word meanings shift. it's looking to create ableism, it isn't ableism. why do that? the simple common word usage does not carry the intent, and no one controls language. so why not hew to what the established contemporary meaning is rather than try to control the uncontrollable
@stib @Kierkegaanks @obscurestar
you the know the contemporary meaning is not the historical meaning
but you *choose* to ignore the contemporary meaning. you actively seek to substitute that. you desire to create ableist meaning that isn't there
it's baffling to me why you would do that
isn't life full of enough actual malice. why contrive malice where there is none
@stib @benroyce @obscurestar please stop flogging the dead horse
Or remove me from getting notifications.
"I do think that there is always benefit in trying to understand how people get to their points of view"
why?
are you trying reeducate MAGA?
what do we do with bigots and prideful ignorant on the fediverse?
we suspend them
is this ableist?
is our job to work with and deprogram MAGA morons in a loving and nurturing fashion?
no, we kick the pieces of shit off. as we should
we call them losers, morons, shitbags, fuckwits, asswipes, etc
what's the problem with that
@obscurestar @benroyce Zarathustra is easy to read, difficult to understand. Not for the simple minded.
Ayn Rand, for example, should never have read it.
Most right wingers can't read for comprehension.
i don't think so. wouldn't surprise me though
rather than an aspect of transphobic bigotry specifically here i see it as this typical weak male insecurity and misogyny that a woman should achieve what these toxic idiots idealize, and don't even understand
the appearance of being a rugged hardcore individual, even though they are really being a programmed sheep, is huge in MAGA land. in fact, it may be the defining feature of the entire identity
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