In the run up to Easter Brexiter fury was aimed at the requirement for Marmalade to be renamed if we (re)align UK food labelling regulations with the EU; this would be for the addition of the word 'citrus' in a blow to UK sovereignty.
What, the hysteria ignored was that most brands already do this: 'Orange Marmalade' or 'Seville Orange Marmalade' & that is fine, as the EU allowed (and continues to allow) the word 'citrus' to be replaced by the actual fruit!
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Also Marmalade is corrupted Portuguese (maybe via France) for a preserve made from Quince called marmelada.
Boris Johnson, while a journalist, started the tradition of twisting CM/EU statements and outright lying.
Also the rule was applying already as part of the NI agreement. Brexit was illegally instituted, voted against by Scotland & NI and incompatible with GFA.
It was to enable UK to continue money laundering via IoM, Ch Is. and BOT.
The "Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube" IIRC.
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Then again, it does describe quite a number of companies products. š
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Accurate description.
It is very likely that the average British sausage is worse. Sausages are not the only food products where the average has been dragged down by industrial production for supermarkets.
The recipe details are a bit of a tangle, but the core of the British sausage is the use of a filler material, with an effect on the texture. The traditional recipes use stale bread crumbs.
There are regional variations, using different herbs and spices. Industrial recipes used to supply the supermarkets replace the breadcrumbs with a finely ground powder that has no texture.
Some of the other details of how sausages are made can shock people, even though vegan sausage rolls are possible. My late brother had a sensitivity to pork, so I watched for alternatives.
Avoid supermarkets.
I remember "Rose's Lime Marmalade" and now want to go and buy a jar of the stuff (and I can't because it's Easter Sunday and everywhere is shut). 3:O((>
I dread to think what Olde English marmalade is made from š
@ChrisMayLA6 Finally, we'll be able to sell tomato marmalade, chocolate marmalade, and sweet potato marmalade. Yes, sweet potato is listed as a fruit, so are carrots. No, I don't know why.
Now if the EU could also fix the definition of "wine" in the same way it would be great.
You'll be pleased to hear that onion marmalade is in breach of the labelling rules and a clear misuse of the term 'marmalade'. A call to your local trading standards office is in order. ;)
These Regulations, which apply to England, implement Council Directive 2001/113/EC concerning fruit jams, jellies and marmalades and sweetened chestnut purƩe intended for human consumption (OJ No. L10, 12.1.2002, p. 67) and also contain national measures. They revoke and replace the Jam and Similar Products Regulations 1981, as amended, in relation to England.
Brtish governments were never shy of complaining bitterly about EU regulations that they themselves had voted in favour of in the Council of Ministers, were they?
and one of the most shameful parts of the UK political engagement with the EU.... many used the EU to blame for policies they supported but wanted to tell voters they opposed - political cowardice & hypocrisy are key characteristics of the UK's political class.
@ChrisMayLA6 @only_ohm @TimWardCam Politicians around the world behave like this - endless pursuit of sound bites for tonight's headlines - because they think it is the only way to deal with the "media cycle". So they flip and flop and flap, and stand for nothing.
Yet the evidence is abundantly clear that it doesn't work - and those politicians have short shelf-lives.
Conversely, those that establish a clear set of values and, dare I say it policies, last much longer... /1
@ChrisMayLA6 @only_ohm @TimWardCam This is especially true of eg Australia's community independent movement (including my brilliant MP in Sydney).
For me, the point is that clarity of long-term objectives is the best platform for short-term success.
I was about to say; they can make Dundee into marmalade & then I thought better of it (oh.hold on, no I didn't)
A myth, it seems.
'According to a Scottish legend, the creation of orange marmalade in the Scottish city of Dundee occurred by accident. The legend tells of a ship carrying a cargo of oranges that broke down in the port, resulting in some ingenious locals making marmalade out of the cargo. .... However, this legend was "decisively disproved by food historians", according to a New York Times report.'
@bodhipaksa @ChrisMayLA6 āThe Scots are credited with developing marmalade as a spread, with Scottish recipes in the 18th century using more water to produce a less solid preserve than before.[5]
The Scots were the people who made marmalade a breakfast item. James Boswell and Samuel Johnson were given it at breakfast while in Scotland in 1773. In the 19th century, the English followed suit and began to eat marmalade in the morning.ā
This is also from Wikipedia.
@peterbrown @ChrisMayLA6 You're kind of proving my point. Boswell's encounter with marmalade took place almost 25 years before the Keiller company was even established.
He does not say it was the first time either of them had had marmalade, and in fact he doesn't remark on it at all, suggesting it was commonplace. He does comment on other aspects of the breakfast, which were presumably new to him.
So the Keillers definitely did not invent marmalade, although they certainly popularized it.
@bodhipaksa @ChrisMayLA6 at no time did I even mention the name Keiller and I certainly didnāt suggest they invented marmalade.
But from all the references it does appear clear that Dundee brought marmalade to the world. And I can see no reason whatsoever to discredit the original story of the ship with the oranges. There is no alternative narrative.
ļæ¼It has always been the fashion to attack oral tradition and it is astonishing how often it is later found to be absolutely true.
@peterbrown @ChrisMayLA6 As far as I'm aware, the story of Dundee's connection with marmalade is that the Keillers bought a shipload of oranges and invented marmalade. (The ship probably happened. The invention didn't.)
I'd love to see a source for this alternative story that is about someone other than the Keillers, and would be very interested if you could share sources about the manufacture of marmalade in Dundee before their industrialization of the process.
@bodhipaksa @ChrisMayLA6 nope, no sources.
But more than once over the last 60 odd years I have been told the same story.
Oral tradition.
Itās a thing.
And itās amazing how often itās right. And since no other port is making claims and #dundee already had an important jam making tradition it sounds to me to be utterly believable and logical and I canāt understand why people would discredit it.
Just because of an American journalist and an English food writer?
It sounds very unlikely that on two separate occasions a ship laden with Seville oranges would end up in Dundee, and on both those occasions someone would "invent marmalade," so I'm afraid your oral version simply sounds like a garbling of the Keillers' story.
@peterbrown @ChrisMayLA6 The story is indeed that a ship ended up in Dundee accidentally, probably having originally aimed for Leith, and one of the Keiller women bought the cargo (probably in good condition ā I doubt she would have been interested otherwise). The myth is that she invented marmalade, but it already existed and cookery books at that time included recipes for it.
It's quite possible, though, that in reality the shipment was ordered, the Keillers having planned to make marmalade.
@bodhipaksa @ChrisMayLA6 so I now have an update from local historical sources.
āThe most reliable version I know is that a shipment of Seville oranges arrived at the docks and the person that had ordered them no longer wanted them. Mr Keiller who was a grocer at the time took them to sell in his shop, but unfortunately he was unable to sell them all. As they were going to spoil his wife suggested that she made them in to marmalade to preserve them, she already had a recipe to do so.ā
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I have a small strategic store of Marmalades, which is to say all Orange, and mostly coarse cut - proper marmalade.
I doubt that anyone will complain at Cooper's Oxford Marmalade acquiring the word Orange, although we all know perfectly well what it is made of.
The others, from a look at the front of the shelf, already seem to have +/-Seville Orange on their label.
And Coopers mention what it is made of on the less obvious part o the label.
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