I broke another spoke on my bike. I guess after 5,558 miles, these things are bound to happen, but it's still annoying

@MLE_online it's definitely the most groan-inducing regular maintenance issue for me. I think because it is a "I shouldn't ride the bike until I fix it" issue that is simple to fix but involves an aggravating number of steps.

Still beats the hell out of maintaining another sort of vehicle though

@SnoopJ it should be simple, but getting the freewheel off this bike is a pain
@MLE_online honestly even doing it on my front wheel is more fuss than I like. But on the rear… yea, even more. And if it's on the road bike, that has very slim margins for fender clearance, so *anything* I do with the rear tire means "spend possibly days fucking around to get the alignment just right to avoid rub"
@SnoopJ that sounds annoying. I don't have fenders on this bike, but both of my ebikes have them, and they do rub a bit

@MLE_online in my case it's because I have 27" wheels, but my fenders are for 700c wheels. That and the fact that axle alignment is apparently more of an art on older bike dropouts (this is a 1983 frame).

It's fairly common that I'll get it just right on the bike stand, but then when I go out to ride it, it'll go out of alignment. I've just accepted that for the next half dozen rides I'll probably end up fucking with it a bit.

I do have a 700c set that I want to convert the bike to, but I haven't sourced new long-reach brake calipers yet.

@MLE_online i have no idea how many miles I put on my old Trek or the Marin i have now.

But I've never broke a spoke. Tubes and chains, sure.

Did it just randomly snap or did you hit something etc?

@azonenberg i don't know. The last one that broke made a loud popping sound so i pulled over and saw the broken spoke. This time i was doing some maintenance and noticed the wheel wasn't running true. I have no idea how long it's been like that

@MLE_online interesting.

Off the top of my head I've had cassettes, chains, tires, and brake pads replaced as routine wear items, and chains and tubes replaced due to field failures.

Never had a wheel rim or spoke go bad in 11 years of frequent (but not daily) bike commuting. Maybe the roads here are just better maintained or something lol

@azonenberg there are a lot of potholes here. You probably also buy nicer bike parts, not whatever you can find on Craigslist

@MLE_online My Trek was bottom-tier "actual bike shop" bike, quite the step up from the $70 "toys r us floor model that I got cheap because it was a discontinued model and the floor demo had a cracked fake leather seat" that lasted me all through school.

The Marin I have now is a slightly higher end "real bike" that I got after selling the Trek when I moved to the bottom of a steep hill and decided I wanted disk brakes rather than rim brakes for going down the hill in the rain.

@azonenberg @MLE_online “cheaper” spokes are frequently thicker and stronger. It’s the expensive, gossamer light spokes that tend to be more fragile.

@LabSpokane @MLE_online Interesting.

My bikes are definitely not ultra high end carbon fiber "weighs less than your water bottle" things lol. I wanted stuff that could survive the rigors of daily riding, would be relatively low maintenance and not break if you looked at it wrong, etc.

Also since I tend to carry a lot of cargo ranging from a thinkpad with its massive power brick to repair tools to rain gear and extra layers because I never know when it's gonna get hot/cold/downpour, I'm not super concerned about shaving ounces on the frame or something

@LabSpokane Not in my experience. I've built plenty of wheels with good old 13g plain gauge, to spindly DT Revolution spokes. There's nothing inherently wrong with thinner spokes in their durability if the wheel is built correctly. Too many people don't stress relieve the spokes after each round of tensioning and equalisation. That is what most frequently leads to galling, noises during riding, and eventual fracture.

@azonenberg @MLE_online

@talloplanic @azonenberg @MLE_online How do you stress relieve a spoke?

@LabSpokane You grasp it along with the nearest parallel spoke on the same side and squeeze them together hard a couple of times. This creates the overload conditions to plastically set the elbow and the spoke length. When a wheel is fully tensioned and equalised the temporary overload should only result in a slight elastic detensioning of the wheel, and not loosening of spokes and nipples, nor pringling of the rim when its circumferential stress limit is exceeded.

@azonenberg @MLE_online

@MLE_online @azonenberg eh, spokes are a consumable part either way, but the specific loading pattern has a huge impact on their lifetime.

I'm reasonably sure the majority of spokes on all my bikes are originals (1972, 1983, and 2017) but I've done several spoke replacements on the 1983 bike (that gets ridden hardest) and none on the others.

@azonenberg @MLE_online I guess you're lucky! 🤣 It happens rarely for me but I've had spokes go two or three times on two different bikes over the years and a couple of rims, rims usually from hitting hidden potholes in the dark/rain.
@MLE_online Broken spokes just mean you’re riding your bike. I look at them as a wear items now.
@LabSpokane yeah, but not a wear item i can easily replace myself, which makes it frustrating
@MLE_online @LabSpokane I need to learn that repair myself.
@ai6yr @LabSpokane I've done it, but it sucks, especially on a freewheel wheel
@MLE_online @ai6yr freewheel locknut removal and replacement used to bother me too. With a few dollars in tools and a vise, it’s easy.
@LabSpokane @MLE_online Ah, I figured out the freewheel removal etc. as well, fortunate to have a vise. And patience if you have to de-rust stuff. lol. But haven't done spoke replacement/wheel truing/wheel building yet. Which seems to require a bunch of equipment and which you only would do once or twice unless you can turn over bicycles quickly, lol.
@ai6yr @LabSpokane i don't use any special equipment for that. I just true it on the bike with the bike upside down and i just eyeball it
@LabSpokane @ai6yr I've got that. My freewheel just gets very very very stuck
@MLE_online @ai6yr In the spirit of telling you more things you already know, right or wrong, I slather the hub and lock ring with grease on reassembly. It may not be correct but it’s SO much easier to disassemble on the next go around.
@LabSpokane @ai6yr I have a freewheel, not a freehub, but i suppose some grease can't hurt anything
@MLE_online can I see the break?
@RueNahcMohr no. It's not easy to get my phone in there. Why do you want to see it?
@MLE_online I'm curious about the failure mode.
@RueNahcMohr It broke off right where it bends and passes through the hole in the hub
@MLE_online hmm, but was it wear, tension, torque, fracture (embrittlement)....
@RueNahcMohr It will probably be wear or embrittlement. I've never seen a broken spoke that looked like tension or torque
@RueNahcMohr here you go! This is the best I'm going to get without getting my usb microscope out
@MLE_online looks like a fracture, can you tell if there is a lot of movement in the spokes when your wheels have load on them?
@RueNahcMohr There's not any significant movement as far as I know. When they can move, there's creaking where they touch as they cross over. I never hear that on this wheel.
@MLE_online well, I will say you have set the record on number of broken spokes for anyone I know.
@RueNahcMohr I probably ride a lot more than most anyone you know
@RueNahcMohr @MLE_online in 8 years of riding my urban bike a lot (about 5000 miles per year) I broke 11 spokes in the rear wheel. Without much load. Reason was apparently the hub design having just 30 spokes (instead of the usual 36?) and the weird angle that causes on them — combined with a bad quality batch apparently. At least, the replacement spokes (same size) never broke yet. It just happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@MLE_online

I suggest pulling 2 random ones and checking them. look for cracks, their hard to see, I'm not sure of a way to enhance them.

@RueNahcMohr Nahhh. I'll just replace this one and keep riding. I don't feel like buying all new spokes and rebuilding the wheel
@MLE_online oh, was the clicking sound while you were riding, a broken spoke whacking something with each rotation?
@smellsofbikes no, it's the wheel bearings. Me lubing the freewheel yesterday must have gotten 3 in 1 oil into the grease and thinned it out a lot
@MLE_online I kinda like that little clickety sound.
@smellsofbikes it sounds nice, but it's probably bad for the balls
@MLE_online muffled juvenile giggling
@MLE_online @RueNahcMohr That looks like fatigue. Where would fatigue fall in to the wear/tension/torgue/workload/embrittle categorization?
@poleguy @MLE_online @RueNahcMohr Looks like the "embrittle" notation to me! That's... old spoke, too many potholes (IMHO).
@ai6yr @poleguy @RueNahcMohr So many potholes. Potholes every day, every street

@poleguy @MLE_online

embrittlement. where its worked back and forth and the metal goes bittle and snaps.

@MLE_online 5k miles is not amazing going for a wheel, even loaded/ebike. Some rim/spoke combos will keep tension better than others.

It’s not “worth” upgrading in any real sense but better is possible.

@MLE_online On today’s episode of Contrary to Popular Belief: Mechanical Things Sometimes Wear Out

(Breaking spokes seems like something that used to happen more frequently)

@chrishuck I know that mechanical things wear out. It's still inconvenient and sometimes frustrating