@rasterinterrupt @nixCraft As he posts on social media to say... 🙄
Edit: Ok, I shoud revise that. Even though it usually isn't, "social media" should really be thought of as a separate, bad thing versus "social networking", which is what we have here. The switch in term was very deliberate by the industry that wanted to frame it as something of value to publishers/advertisers rather than something of value to its participants.
Well I wouldn't be able to type with 10 fingers if it wasn't for school forcing us to learn it. And in hindsight I'm kinda thankful for that.
And I'm sure a lot of people in class benefitted from all of these "search stuff on the internet for your presentation" with being guided to source validate and double check stuff to teach critical thinking and media competency.
Also we did 3d CAD design and entry level programming in school too, so...
@nixCraft I've been watching this happen online for a decade now. I know it isn't the student's faults. It's not even the fault of the education system.
Walls of text with no capitalization, no punctuation, no delineation between sentences or paragraphs. You have to read it four times to understand it.
Here in the US, our government has been deliberately undercutting our education system since the 1980s, it's no wonder our literacy rate is tanking.
Subjectively, I feel like I learn better with books, and writing stuff down with a pencil. I'm old, so it could be bias, but tech is distracting to me in all the wrong ways. I'm very comfortable with it. It just feels like an abstraction layer that gets in the way of learning.
That's a plan with teeth.
Meanwhile, the U.S. slips back into functional illiteracy.
@carlsetzer We solved this problem ages ago, with new and revised editions.
Paper can be recycled easily and even if thrown out, it decomposes way quicker then anything found in any electronic device...
@nixCraft Ahh the convergence of when too much is too much, and too little, too little.
What is a sustainable range, and can it be taught in early stages of development in order produce sustainable adults?
@lispi314 @DL_Draco_Rex @nixCraft @pixie When I was a kid in school, having a real computer with networking in my pocket was literally my dream. I carried a series of Casio and HP programmable graphing calculators as the closest thing.
I am absolutely sure that there are kids just like that now, and it hurts me viscerally when well-meaning people want to take that away from them just because capitalists behave like shit, rather than wanting to smash capitalism.
@pixie @DL_Draco_Rex There's a big difference in having them out playing with them when it's interfering with learning and having them on their persons in case they deem something important enough to accept the consequences of breaking a rule. The latter should never be banned.
Regarding socializing/playing together, this is simply not something that's going to happen for some kids, especially when their in-person peers are a homogenous bunch with nothing but normie neurotypical interests. Taking away the potential for connection and friendship from them is cruel.
@dalias @DL_Draco_Rex I feel there's some projecting happening here.
Also some misunderstanding of how things might or might not be implemented.
Here, kids may have their phones, but in their lockers or backpack or turned off.
The phones WHERE being previously being used to film colleagues and teachers, without their consent, guided by extreme conservative parents, to generate "proof" of indroctination and so on.
When public policy is made, in serious places (I am deliberately excluding the US in this matter), we take into account data, studies (or the lack of it), and consider the bigger picture, instead of specific personal issues. I work and study technology and education for over a decade. When policies like this ban are made, they calculate the pros and cons.
@pixie @DL_Draco_Rex Yeah, okay, that's entirely reasonable. What's not reasonable is confiscating phones when they enter the building or something like that.
Like, you shouldn't just be able to record people without their consent normally, without facing consequences for it. But you absolutely should be physically capable of doing it, in case there's a real need to document something horrible happening, as long as you're willing to accept the consequences of breaking that rule.
> Swedish government announced that the country’s schools would be going back to basics, emphasizing skills such as reading and writing,
A very bad idea.
There has been a lot of work on effective education and "back to basics" is a dog whistle for "throw it all away" and stop the "liberal indoctrination " of children
A shame, but Sweden has always been a bit like that
@nixCraft the only reason technology has a part in the classroom, is because that's what technology companies have to sell. Laptops don't unionise, strike for better pay and conditions, hold school management to account, or advocate for students.
The only variable ever shown to consistently increase academic outcomes, is hiring more teachers, so there are fewer students per teacher.
@nixCraft Sweden also wanted to go 100% cashless until the Ukraine invasion, upon which they regained some perspective on the risks of rushing to break physical things.
Digital technologies can obviously be massively empowering, including some forms of "social media", including some forms of algorithmic data science (don't call me "AI") etc.
But its by now pretty darn obvious to anybody caring to look, that abuse, negative sideeffects and emerging risks can easily overwhelm the positives.