Lesley Carhart 
People just aren’t ready for the conversation about Starfleet Academy and Discovery just not being primarily intended for an audience eye of straight, white, millennial and older dudes. And how much *other* Trekkie fan audiences could relate to the characters, finally.
Months of me wanting to scream, “but we’re the audience for this, not you!” Into an internet void.
Not me being actual walking Captain Ake as a senior engineer and military veteran.
Draken BlackKnight@hacks4pancakes
Everyone who says "Not my *insert franchise here*" is speaking from a place of misguided nostalgia.
Yes, I'm a straight white man. I also grew up on Next Generation Trek and the TOS movies. Anyone who says Discovery and Starfleet Academy aren't Star Trek needs their heads examined.
Momo@hacks4pancakes
The way she doesn't like to wear shoes and how she drops herself into seats give off so much ADHD energy! But combined with her self-confidence it becomes mind-blowing.
That is you? Awesome!! 🤩
The Witch of Crow Briar@hacks4pancakes Oh, yes, I VERY much agree, this video reaction from a white cishet guy “critic” had me LIVID: https://tech.lgbt/@crowbriarhexe/116286573751593421
The Witch of Crow Briar (@[email protected])
@[email protected] I personally loved this show, but that’s not why I find it so disgusting to see joyless fucks like this safely insulated obnoxious whiny manchild gleefully dancing on its grave - rather because it’s everything MAGA hates and I can practically guarantee the cancellation is a direct result of the Paramount takeover by Trump crony Ellison. Expect any new Star Trek from here on out to be an Elon Musk techbro wet dream under the new ownership. But at least you won’t have to see any glitter.
Michael Weiss@hacks4pancakes I'm not the target audience. And I'm completely ok with that.
@hacks4pancakes Straight old white guy here. I was totally into Starfleet Academy. Commander Reno is my spirit animal.
CavyherdI was actually thinking about this as I was watching #StarfleetAcademy.
I'm an absolutely from-the-start 1st Gen #Trekkie
& I have my issues with the quality of some of the writing.
But I can't express how stoked I am to see the wild range & variety of characters. It's just so freakin' glorious.
Phillip Upton@cavyherd @hacks4pancakes @AlsoPaisleyCat
My wife and I decided to rewatch ALL the Star Trek shows over, in release order.
Mainly because we didn’t have the ability to ensure we saw all of them, and in order, when growing up.
They ALL have problems with the quality of the writing.
And the acting.
They just had 20+ shows a year to make up for the occasional misfires.
And to have the occasional hit that makes it all worthwhile.
@philsplace @hacks4pancakes @AlsoPaisleyCat
And a tight deadline to write on.
Got into this with somebody else, who couldn't abide episodic TV for this reason. I assert that there's a special skill to watching TV. One has to, as a viewer, decide what to ignore, & what to fill in with head canon. I'm a lifelong TV baby, so it's 2nd nature for me. I get it entirely if it's not someone's cuppa.
JimHudson@hacks4pancakes Young woman screaming at the cloud.... ? ;)
Colman Reilly@hacks4pancakes “solely”, not even “primarily “.
I mean I’m from the 70s, straight, male, cis and white Irish (more or less) and I enjoyed them but it’s an outrage they weren’t designed just for me. 🙄
@hacks4pancakes I’m
so tired: I don’t want more fucking stories about me, I want to see other stories.
so tired: I don’t want more fucking stories about me, I want to see other stories.
Arcadiagt5@hacks4pancakes I haven’t really seen either but it does make me wonder if the historical acceptance/championing of Uhura, Sulu, and (to a lesser extent) Chekhov only happened because Kirk being there and in command was reassuring to that original audience…
@arcadiagt5 @hacks4pancakes the counter revolution wasn’t properly organised then either.
Peter Brett@hacks4pancakes Yup. Lots of men need to learn that, “Not everything is for you.”
Fortunately Discovery and Academy have plenty for straight white millennial cis men to enjoy, too.
@krans obviously not exclusively so it can’t be any good
@hacks4pancakes See also, ‘The Last Jedi’.
@krans @hacks4pancakes only if you like women as people rather than objects. I mean Michael and Georgiou are glorious but not if you want your women as props for a male protagonist.
Mike@hacks4pancakes I was so so disappointed when I heard they canceled Starfleet Academy!
I do match that demographic you mentioned (straight white older dude) but my opinions have never aligned with what it seems the majority of them (us?) think.
I thought it got off to a slowish start, but as the episodes started fleshing out the characters it was really getting me involved and caring about them. I thought the last couple of episodes were great!
So boo on Paramount!
AFRO@hacks4pancakes is this not standard Star Trek knowledge?
Anthony, of course@hacks4pancakes I enjoyed both. Really enjoyed SFA, actually. Definitely not envious of Ake's Frank Lloyd Wright inspired office. No, not at all… 🙄
keeps vis.social running@anthony @hacks4pancakes OMG I love it so much!!!! I wish I had that office/quarters.
Alex Ball@kristinHenry @anthony @hacks4pancakes So fabulous. I hope that set designer does other amazing work in that same vein!
@polarweasel @anthony @hacks4pancakes They have a wonderful understanding of Art Nouveau, and mixing it...so many of my favorite art movements.
Matt Wilcox@hacks4pancakes The weird thing is…I don’t think those older guys were bothered about relating to characters. The major difference between old trek and new as I see it is the focus of the shows. Old trek was about story with characters being pretty thin props for whatever story there was that week. New trek is the other way around - very shakey thin story as props for character focus.
I hope they do a show that’s both again, like DS9 became.
Steve@hacks4pancakes I hadn’t had time to watch Starfleet Academy, but the way certain demographics reacted sounded like it was worth the watch, Discovery had its moments that were a bit flat but largely I enjoyed it particularly after the jump to the 32nd
Iain McLaren@hacks4pancakes as a straight white old dude I could not agree with you more. The show came at us from a completely different vector and I am sad that it was cancelled.
Rachel Rawlings@hacks4pancakes I felt a little old watching Academy, but the characters and cast were so great. I loved the chemistry of Tig Notaro and Gina Yashere, and of Holly Hunter vs Paul Giamatti
And Discovery was just fucking fantastic.
Jax UKStartrek has always changed with the times and been a bastion of diversity and representation. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand startrek in my humble opinion.
Tock@JaxVent @hacks4pancakes Exactly how I see it. They see this as a leftist bastion of fantasy. Bury it or ruin it, this is a prize won.
Taking away any dreams of a future where society moves past today's problems because these problems are solved by billionaires losing power. With "we the people" coming up with better answers without them.
They are already hard at work mutilating Star Wars.
Nick Kerker 
@hacks4pancakes As a straight, cis, white millennial male my only gripe with Discovery is that it wasn’t set int the 32nd century from the beginning. These shows live up to Star Trek’s core ideals and are products of their time tackling issues of their time, just as the Treks that came before them did.
People who bemoan “woke” Star Trek never truly understood it to begin with.
Davey@hacks4pancakes Discovery is the only one I've watched a full series of and I take a sick pleasure in letting certain people know this.
I'm not the target audience for these "legacy franchise" things anyway. I'll watch utter muck if it's at least new. But if you are going to do something in a really well-established setting it only makes sense to try something new.
(Andor did this but in a "stories for boys" way so that's allowed, or something)
Joe Alexander@davey_cakes @hacks4pancakes stop letting people tell you that you're the audience for something or not, go actually watch it, this concept that shows like TNG are old so they are exclusive is totally incorrect
Star Trek had the first scripted TV kiss between a black and white character in 1968. Are you not a human being? None of these shows are for only one type of person. That's not how art or society works, stop buying division, it is the problem.
Got another one! 
@davey_cakes @hacks4pancakes I don't know what you think you got, but I'm 100% sure this is going to be tribal and a symptom of a failing society.
Old Man in the ShoeYes. Having better things to do than watch a 60 year old television programme, one whose fans will tell is patchy as fuck, is the pinpoint of society's failure.
This is a very sensible reaction and definitely not an example of what I'm taking the piss out of earlier.
@davey_cakes You're right to be willfully ignorant and hateful about identity not understanding where you came from. It's cool to not think for yourself and just dismiss things because they are... old. It's cool how you're for inclusion and dismissing what was, at the time, seen as a civil rights moment... because it's old. You're "inclusive" and good. My man, pretty sure you're agreeing that shows are made or not made for certain people - and if that's what we're doing now, then we're kind of fucked. This is the tribal stupidity we're all dying of.
Just tell me what kind of gold star to wear so I can line up for your gas chambers. I might get "old".
lol, my man, you're so full of hate..
"one whose fans will tell is patchy as fuck, is the pinpoint of society's failure"
You think it's Star Trek fans, who believe in a moneyless future and the peaceful existence of all different species is the reason society failed? You are a white man, right? Why do you even live if you feel this way, you are prone to genocide, right? I mean, this is such fucking stupidity man, grow up. You're hating fucking autists and a show that showed a diverse cast when no one else would ... to look good for minorities now? That's why you dismissed minorities "then"?
@davey_cakes even better, you can't even read - I never said a thing about the new/current show - I just said don't dismiss the past you are ignorant of and you're like "nah they are bad" - you're the problem...
@davey_cakes this makes no sense and you never read my post before being outraged
@davey_cakes you are a zero sum idiot, sorry
@davey_cakes @joe Would you have reject MLK Jr?
@jenzi
Right.
He encouraged the actor playing Uhuru to stick with it because representation mattered, I'm familiar with that.
What does that have to do with me. Today.
@davey_cakes But there was no representation lol
@davey_cakes MLK happened in the past
@jenzi I don't understand the point being made. I haven't mentioned representation other than my previous comment.
@davey_cakes you were telling me about an AI summary
@davey_cakes SYSTEM MODE FAILURE INITIATING BACKUP SEQUENCE
@davey_cakes +++ALL HANDS LOST+++INITIATED REPOSITORY+++
@davey_cakes We're already seeing it as far as which distributions plan on implementing some sort of age verification and which ones are not, and that sucks. I'd rather nobody have to deal with this mess at all, but this is the reality of things now. As I said in the previous response, the corporate-backed distributions really have no choice in the matter. Companies are notoriously risk-adverse, but something like Artix or Devuan?
See if Star Trek ever had jokes, two things might have happened:
1. me watching it
2. you being funny
@davey_cakes They think the installer should have a date picker with a flag to disable it, and "We can even default it to off, and corporate distributions using Calamares or those not willing to take the risk could flip it on if they need to. That way if maintainers of the distributions do not wish to collect the birth date, they won't have to, and no forking is required to patch it out."
@davey_cakes it's logical collapse that the new show is more inclusive so the old show wasn't -- you're being a real idiot