“A Dutch court has ordered X and its AI chatbot Grok to immediately stop generating non-consensual sexualized imagery and child pornographic material in the Netherlands, imposing a penalty of €100,000 per day on each defendant for non-compliance.”
Good.
https://www.techpolicy.press/dutch-court-orders-x-grok-to-stop-aigenerated-sexual-abuse-content/
An internet calculator says that Elon Musk "makes" $163,000 a minute, to put the fine in context.
*Maybe* if it was $100 million a day.
BTW - this is why I say fines and fees are unjustifiable.
@cojajo
How many are there?
With my non-existent Dutch I've skimmed the header of the court order to see three defendants listed.
If I'm calculating correctly¹ it's 0,377‰ of his daily profits.
To start to make a dent in his ego it need's to be far more.
(I'll skip musings of how many % of daily profits/revenues (whichever is more painful) needs to be.)
Or forceful nationalisation and non-profit-isation of EU entities.
1. Probably not, read as “drop in the ocean”.
@johnzajac @drahardja Absolute fines are ineffective indeed, as it allows rich people to break the law without a relative significant financial penalty.
Finland, however, imposes fees relative to the perpetrators income, which is quite effective.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/finnish-businessman-hit-with-121000-speeding-fine
Again, any fine-based legal mechanism commodifies lawbreaking, which is *intrinsically* corrupt and centers money over the social contract.
120,000 euro is a regretful night out to someone worth 350 million, if that.
@johnzajac @drahardja For speeding without damage, a few regretful nights should be punishment enough for any person.
When it comes to real damage, fines should be appropiate enough so that any of us would be ruined in case of ignoring the law any further.
If it comes to unrepairable damage, fines truly do not reflect the consequences caused on others, thus harsh actions should be taken.
@Amorpheus
They are so effective that Polish road pirates start following the speed limits after one parking ticket.
…until they come back to Poland, where the fines are absolute, low, and speed traps are set to trigger above the actual limit.
@drahardja Fines are useless in this case. Musk is so obscenely "rich" that he could pay without really noticing. But he wouldn't pay a fine imposed by an NL court anyway.
People should just stop using the thing that used to be called Twitter.
@drahardja how accurate is AI magic for age detection from an picture?
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@drahardja Petty penalties are just factored into malpractice. It doesn’t say “stop”, it says “the costs of your abuse have gone up a bit”.
This is not the mechanism to stop things. If you want things to stop, well, you stop them. You don’t put a puny price tag on them.
@drahardja
"... court has ordered X and its AI chatbot Grok to immediately stop generating non-consensual sexualized imagery and child pornographic material..."
Wait...
He needed a court to tell him that?
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