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Dare Obasanjo

Today a PM on my team showed the team a fancy dashboard they had built with AI on my request. Questions from other PMs

Q: How is the data stored?
A: I don’t know.

Q: Where is this deployed, do you have a server?
A: I don’t know. I asked Claude to deploy it and it did.

This is the future.

Mar 26 at 2:49amWeb
Show threadDare Obasanjo2d ago
This is how I must sound to car enthusiasts asking me if my engine is a v8.
Show threadBrian Webster2d ago
@carnage4life I think it has… an engine? In the front somewhere? No tomato juice that I know of.
Show threadYou S Blues2d ago

@carnage4life 🤦‍♂️

Blue team is going to be so painful.

Show threadKevin Karhan 2d ago

@patmikemid @carnage4life I guess switching teams is overdue…

#sarcasm

Show threadBryan Redeagle 2d ago
@carnage4life That sounds like a security nightmare.
Show threadLars Hansson2d ago
@bryanredeagle @carnage4life after decades of improving IT security practices we just don't do it anymore
Show threadroboticus lastius (not a bot)1d ago
@romabysen @bryanredeagle @carnage4life Yup. That's exactly this. The 'who cares' phase.
Show threadJonas2d ago
@bryanredeagle
Shadow IT on steroids
@carnage4life
Show threadJillL2d ago
@carnage4life It's all good fun until something goes wrong #AI
Show threadPusher of Pixels2d ago

@jillL @carnage4life Claude will only too happily reclaim something it deployed 6 weeks ago and now that dashboard is toast.

All this jazz over written language prompts being the future only leads me to ST:TNG Moriarty episodes when LaForge accidentally creates a Sherlock Holmes program capable of defeating *Data*.

Whoopsie.

Show threadLon3Star2d ago
@carnage4life it's gonna get weird
Show threadD.C.U.K.2d ago
@carnage4life Wow that really doesn't seem acceptable. Can Claude not make pull requests and defend itself from a critical reviewer?
Show threadTim Oliver2d ago
@carnage4life To be fair, as a client engineer, this is usually how I treat the backend as well. 😆
Show threadJeff Smith2d ago
@carnage4life makes me not worry about Skynet
Show threadSam Clemente2d ago

@carnage4life that’s…concerning

On more than one level

And not just on the part of the PM

Show threadBenoit2d ago
@carnage4life Imagine asking these same questions to an engineer.

How does it work?
I don’t know

Where is the documentation?
There is none

This would be very concerning but here, it’s an AI so it’s amazing!

It is not. That dashboard will never be updated, no one understand how it works. How can you even tell the data it presents is accurate?

The future…
Show threadLars Hansson2d ago
@carnage4life That's like asking someone who made your food about what is in it and they go " I dunno. Food stuff?"
Show threadmoggie2d ago

That's pretty much the answer you'll get in most restaurants. They really have no idea what exactly goes into the food they're serving you.

@romabysen @carnage4life

Show threadLars Hansson2d ago
@EverydayMoggie you can not seriously think that chefs don't know what is in the food.
Show threadIan Turton2d ago
@romabysen @EverydayMoggie try asking the wait staff for allergy information next time you are in a restaurant
Show threadmoggie2d ago

I do mean that. Maybe in high-end restaurants they might know, but in an everyday restaurant, much of the food includes manufactured ingredients. For example, I've had to ask what kind of oil is used in the food due to allergies, and most places couldn't be more specific than "vegetable oil."

I've basically stopped eating in restaurants because of this problem. (I have additional allergies, so it isn't just the oil.)

@romabysen

Show threadThe Doctor2d ago
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Show threadbjb  2d ago

@carnage4life

They don't know how or where it is deployed? So, they have no idea how much the deployment is costing .... interesting way to conduct business.

Show threadevana2d ago

@bjb @carnage4life or who else has access to the data. Including locality requirements for e.g. EU citizens.

Also, if you don't know where the data is, I'm guessing it's not backed up.

Somebody is going to make a killing on all this, but I'm not sure we know whom.

Show threadEm 2d ago
@carnage4life @drwho That sounds like a quite spectacular data privacy nightmare.
Show threadThe Doctor2d ago
@Em0nM4stodon @carnage4life And a disaster recovery nightmare.
Show threadu04217932d ago
@carnage4life it is as it should be
Show threadbabble encat2d ago
@carnage4life lol
Show threadbabble encat2d ago
@carnage4life i loved telling the juniors at my old job, if it starts working for no reason, it's gonna stop working for no reason when it's least convenient
Show threadEndlessMason2d ago
@carnage4life
Q: if we find out the data is wrong, will we actually be able to fix it?
A: No, management will get upset that correcting the numbers will put bumps in their trend lines
Show threadAiono2d ago
@carnage4life everything is good until you have to understand all of it
Show threadIrenes (many)2d ago
@carnage4life all this talk about shifting privacy left, and the industry really prefers to just ignore privacy entirely ><
Show threadIrenes (many)2d ago

@carnage4life for the record, the situation you describe is likely illegal in jurisdictions with GDPR (we're not a lawyer though)

GDPR really only creates some very basic requirements to know what your system actually does. it's very frustrating that that's too much for so many companies.

Show threadChris Knight2d ago
@carnage4life move fast and break things 🫠
Show threadjon ellis2d ago
@carnage4life absolute clown show 🤡🤡🤡
Show threadambiguous02d ago
@carnage4life it's the return of the enterprise critical Microsoft Access app that lives on someone's desktop under a desk.
Show threadSkipfordJ1d ago
@carnage4life As the kids say, "Thanks, I hate it."