RE: https://mastodon.social/@verge/116041069446538092
Two things:
1. We are creating a two-tiered internet that will see people willing to give up their IDs having one experience while those who canβt, wonβt, or donβt have them missing out on those experiences or being outright excluded from whole areas of the web
2. Why you would be willing to give up your ID to web services that have such poor security in a time when identity is being weaponized by state actors is beyond me
@Ashedryden It'll be unsustainable too. The tier that requires ID will see a precipitous drop in access and traffic, by design.
I would speculate that whoever's pushing these rules knows that the majority of people won't give up their IDs to these random services, either through apathy ("I don't have time for this") or because it's a bad idea. Only massive platforms like Youtube will get people to jump through those hoops for access.
Painting everything the same shade of beige is the point.
@derickr @trashwizard @Ashedryden Yβall remember the old days, before graphical browsers? We used to run bbs from a 386 with a 2400 baud modem.
BBS is a relatively low cost, simple to install, Pi friendly way to create networks around late stage capitalism. Is a panacea for our ills, no...but you can roll your own discord type system.
I mean, if governments wanted to keep us βsafeβ from predators, they could start by arresting all of them in government. Else, itβs just a con.
@mochabeau I don't think the problem is anyone making a better software to chat, by which I assume text based communication.
The problem is that no one is pushing hard for standardisation of one, which leaves certain companies' marketing departments doing it for us.
There were also times when locally run IRC server was used for chatting, the less privacy-oriented using public ones with invite-only channels in the more innocent times. Every device had a client for it.
@mochabeau @Ashedryden Agreed, as to the need for a better alternative, however the "QOS rules" conundrum is very difficult to solve:
@[email protected] No matter what alternative video conferencing solution you pick, alas, it will live and die by how well the network routers that you traverse, treat your traffic fairly - governed by the invisible, so-called "QOS rules". "QOS" is short for "Quality Of Service", and is a technical term that Professional Network Administrators know. *Governments who don't favor "network neutrality" will almost certainly have these QOS rules skewed to the favor of the tech bros, who can afford to hire lobbyists - unlike people like you.* Unfavorable QOS rules will silently tackle down your praiseworthy efforts and unfortunately make you look bad, because you picked a solution which ultimately "didn't work" *through no fault of your own*. Whomever tries alternatives like #Jitsi, #XMPP, etc: you'll likely get silently tripped up on/mired by QOS rules when talking to *some* of your contacts. Even though I don't praise or advocate the Zooms of the world - that's where you'll likely be limping back to, unfortunately. Having said all this, I'd suggest giving #Signal video chats a cautious try. It might work for *smallish* numbers of people having group video chats. #infosec
@Ashedryden astute.
This really is the start of a a two tiered internet. π I just wonder - will the majority of folks go for this? In my heart I feel like they will. To appear βnormalβ will be to completely give up all online anonymity. (As if we had that to begin with)
The implications of this will be felt in the short term, and I wonder just how many I.C.E detainments (here in the U.S) this will lead to.
@Ashedryden oh yeah, no. I was literally just thinking about how I've never really gotten the hang of Discord. The signal to noise ratio is just so far off, I just kinda forget it exists.
I'll definitely be peacing out on that one.
With all that is always happening, at this point I assume state actors are pushing it.
And someone is going to make a random identity generator page of any country you choose and random faces of different poses. Complete with random lists of where you went to school, first pet, etc, in a printable fact page. What are they going to do, try and verify?
@Ashedryden @wellingtonrock @verge
My initial feeling that someone simply wants to kill such platforms entirely.
@Ashedryden It's more likely I'll be giving up the services that require these things.
Some will be difficult, of course, but if enough of us do walk away will that have an impact?
They already have your ID like 10x over from all the other things you've been forced to give it for and all the public data breaches, so it barely matters anyway for most people.
@Ashedryden you best start believin in cyberpunk futures.
we're in one.
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