Just updated my iPad. It wanted me to take a photo of a credit card. I did not let it. It then told me I might not be able to access certain things. The future is fucking shit.

@joeress That's BS. I never set up ApplePay on an iPad. It's a stupid default and they should REALLY tone down the language.

But, I mean, this is Apple, the only vaguely less rapacious walled garden that wants to own your life lock, stock and barrel.

@feoh @joeress This isn't Apple, it's the UK government.

It still sucks.

@jimmylittle @feoh @joeress Sadly, the EU might be trying strict age checks too: https://leminal.space/post/31858818/21120139 slated for perhaps July 2026. Gone under the radar of press outlets, sadly. (Or perhaps I misunderstood, I'm not an EU regulations expert at all.) #EU #ageverification #opensource #censorship #onlinesafetyact #regulation #privacy
'What a great way to kill your community': Discord users are furious about its new age verification checks — and are now hunting for alternatives - Leminal Space

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@ell1e @jimmylittle @feoh @joeress Wanna bet this is the old chat control idiocy again? Time to muster the resistance and write angry letters to your EU representatives again.
@grumpydad @jimmylittle @feoh @joeress No, seems entirely unrelated: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/library/commission-publishes-guidelines-protection-minors From July 2025, apparently, with apparently 12 month enforcement deadline: https://www.mlex.com/mlex/articles/2368265/online-services-get-up-to-12-months-to-apply-age-verification-eu-guidelines-say UK Online Safety Act'esque. (IANAL, not legal advice, check sources for yourself.)
Commission publishes guidelines on the protection of minors

On 14 July 2025, the Commission has published its guidelines on the protection of minors under the DSA to ensure a safe online experience for children and young people.

Shaping Europe’s digital future
@ell1e @jimmylittle @feoh @joeress Well, its seems like that on the surface at least. But both concepts are selling their arguments using "protect our children", which makes me very suspicious that the same people are behind this.
@grumpydad @ell1e @jimmylittle @feoh @joeress Yes, it's a coalition of unpleasantness made up of social media companies. If you have age verification for children then you have ID verification for everyone, which is great for tracking. Some details here: https://tboteproject.com/
Age Verification Lobbying: Dark Money, Model Legislation & Institutional Capture

Investigative research into age verification lobbying, dark money, and model legislation

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@asherhoskins @grumpydad @jimmylittle @feoh @joeress no attention means no protest means sadly little chance of getting it killed. hence why i'm highlighting this specific act with little coverage
@feoh @joeress Nothing to do with Apple this time, it's the British government. It's the same government that tried to forbid Apple to do stronger encryption for data on Apple accounts around a year ago.
Your comment to me is proof that haters are gonna hate no matter what, you didn't even bother to inform yourself before commenting.
@mttn @feoh @joeress it's the british gov but it's apple that implemented it.
@f4grx @feoh @joeress
And what are they supposed to do exactly?
Laws aren't optional, they're not a suggestion, there are punishments for not following them.
The alternative is leaving the market entirely which is a little bit exaggerated here.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress laws are optional; especailly for corporations; apple ignores laws all the time

but laws absolutely rely on most people complying actually; just dont  and then they rely on propaganda to get other people to intentionally hurt other people because they 'deserve it' or its a 'punishment' or some shit;

it relies on most people just complying; and it relies on a thought of 'this wont happen to me' and inverting blame and discounting, those who are victimized by it

its just some orginization that makes violent threats towards everyone if they don't do what they say; im tired of them being given a shred of legitimacy,

fuck laws, fuck the state,

@Li @f4grx @feoh @joeress
Right, "fuck the state", say that to the police men and women that will risk their lives to protect you next time that you are in a tough situation.
And of course you can't verify that every single company complies with every single law, it's completely impossible, everyone knows that, but as soon as the laws exist, punishments can legally be applied and you can go to court.
@mttn @Li @f4grx @feoh untag me if you're going to argue please

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress Apparently they haven't really tried. Big Tech gets away with almost anything and they spend fortunes to lobby governments. They just do that only on behalf of their bottom line, not on behalf of their users. They get every regulation against their monopolies and 30% rent stopped except for in court maybe, they get tax havens and subsidies and what not. And here they were helpless and couldn't have stopped age verification if they wanted to? I call bullshit.

Age verification comes to Big Tech because it doesn't hurt their bottom line as much as regulation that would work. That would require paid personpower for moderation, reliable takedowns, and crucially no forced algorithms based on engagement and ad-click revenue.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress

Apple created a device user have no administrator control over, not the goverment. Such laws are directly enabled by the top-down software control model developed by biggest companies.

@didek @f4grx @feoh @joeress
Completely unrelated because even free software is under the target of these age verifications, same in California.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress

With free software you can remove any restriction developer was forced to add.

@joeress in all fairness this is the govt, not the fruity company. And yes, the future does not look rosy. It's rotten to the core.

@dch
Oh, the fruity company has alternatives. It just likes the extra data.

@joeress

@JorisMeys @dch @joeress Yeah, seems to me that you should be able to get a stamp from the local constabulary.

@yoasif @JorisMeys @dch @joeress

UK driver’s licence gives valid from date…not that I’m suggesting you give Apple or anyone else your driving licence details 🤷

Meanwhile, my wife keeps having the same nagware on her iPhone…she’s 74 FFS 🤦

@dch @joeress I'm thinking do I need all the bells and whistles?? Maybe I just need a basic computer with a basic operating system and just go outside more, like I used to pre 2005.
@Tubsta @dch @joeress I've been getting more and more offline in recent years, and honestly there are no drawbacks.
@dch @joeress Hopefully we can all push back on this hard.
@dch The fruity company has done this for years without any legal requirement whatsoever if you wanted for instance to set up Family Sharing.
@joeress
@menos @dch @joeress I don’t think that’s right — certainly it wasn’t the case when I set mine up. Family Sharing does implicitly require the organiser to register a credit card with Apple in order to purchase the content they will be sharing, but it never asked for ID. Also, it is possible to have an Apple Account with no payment method associated with it; it’s just not the default, and not entirely obvious at that, but the reason to have the account is to use the Store…
@riotnrrd @dch @joeress "It wanted me to take a photo of a credit card."—yes, that's what they've been doing. Or have me enter the CC data manually for that matter. It also mentions somewhere that's to confirm you're 18, as if that was somehow a requirement for having a family.
The Store is a BS justification; you can use both Google's and Apple's just fine without registering any means of payment as long as you're not trying to make any. Why would that suddenly be required for sharing stuff if you're not going to share paid stuff?
@menos @dch @joeress Hmm. I’m not in the UK, so that might be a legal requirement rather than an Apple thing. I have a (US) Apple account with no payment method on it that I use occasionally, but the whole point of Family Sharing for me is sharing paid apps & content, plus my main account has payment info on it anyway.
I don’t see the benefit to Apple of forcing this issue on a tiny minority, which is why I assume this is a government requirement rather than its own.
@riotnrrd @dch @joeress I just wanted to have an account for my son that I can set screen time limits for. Tried from Sri Lanka and Germany, neither of which had any such requirement, and it always wanted a CC. From Tanzania it keeps giving me the finger right away in typical Apple-speak "your account cannot be set up at this time" (but obviously we won't tell you why).
@menos @dch @joeress Ah, that makes sense — and the fact that it didn’t work is sadly an example of how poorly-thought-out that whole feature is. It’s still better than the Android equivalent, mind, but not by as much as it should be, and with all sorts of weird loopholes which your son will no doubt find and exploit, just as mine did!
@joeress
Your governemnt is a fucking joke. They censored fucking ninja stars. Police confiscate butter knives. People get arrested, jailed and fined for saying naughty words. You cucks have no fucking rights. You all need to grow a backbone and revolt for your rights back already.

@rusty_shackleford @joeress

America is worse. They've got less freedom of speech than the Brits. American government is banning non state-approved routers so they can watch everything you do online. So glad I don't live there.

https://youtu.be/tB3WVygAM8I

https://youtu.be/04oL0qVSWJE

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@geoffl @rusty_shackleford @joeress That one gets even funnier. The only US made routers at all are some Starlink ones.

So basically America banned all ISPs except Musk's.

The billionaire needs _more_...

@divVerent @geoffl @rusty_shackleford @joeress You cannot even build a grill scrubber solely from US material: https://youtu.be/3ZTGwcHQfLY?is=MmWU179QPZ7miiT7
I Tried To Make Something In America (The Smarter Scrubber Experiment) - Smarter Every Day 308

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@divVerent @geoffl @joeress Maybe for now, but I think what's next is pretty clearly other companies starting to make routers fully in the USA.

@golemwire @divVerent @joeress

I thinks it's more likely that someone, or someone's relatives, will acquire shares in, or some kind of partnership with, a foreign router manufacturer who will then be granted a license to export routers to the USA, maybe?

@divVerent @geoffl @joeress Yeah... I don't know what else other companies would do though, it'd be a lot of lost business if they didn't work towards made-in-USA.

@golemwire @geoffl @joeress What else? Faking it of course. It will still be Chinese chips with Indian firmware. Just with an American case.

It would actually be more useful to audit the firmware (all of it) as a sufficient replacement.

@geoffl @joeress
Hilarious that you unironically believe this
FCC imposes sweeping ban on foreign-made routers, affecting all new models

Trump admin to decide which router makers get exemptions from FCC import ban.

Ars Technica
The Attack on Free Speech Under the Second Trump Administration

Author: Kate MinichielloNovember 12, 2025IntroductionRecent actions by Trump and his Executive Cabinet suggest that they are not upholding the First Amendment as they promised. Focusing on the second administration, actions have threatened the free speech of news media, universities, law firms, libraries, and data-collecting bureaucracies. Most of the cases are acts of jawboning–“the attempt to persuade or pressure by the force of one’s position of authority” (“Jawboning”). Threats from the fede

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Tennessee man arrested for posting meme ‘threatening violence’ in Facebook group for Charlie Kirk vigil

Members of the Perry County community reportedly believed he was making threats against local schools

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@geoffl
The article says the dude was threatening violence lol.

Thr us has best speech protections of anywhere in the world. If you disagree with that you are absolutely fucking retarded and Please do me a favor and block me now, lol.
@rusty_shackleford Your reading comprehension is poor. He didn't threaten violence. Try again.

@rusty_shackleford

And try actually watching the video rather than spouting blind, uninformed, pro USofA propaganda.

You probably think USAnian workers have the best working conditions and most paid holiday too. 🤣🤣🤣

https://youtu.be/tB3WVygAM8I?si=jP4M6TfO3j_nvLaV

I Compared US and UK Free Speech. I Was Shocked

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@rusty_shackleford

Workers rights and working conditions UK v USA. You'll be shocked.

https://youtu.be/7Okb9RSYuLI

Basic workers' rights | British VS American!

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@geoffl

Hahaha your evidence is cherry picked yputube videos? Holy fuck you people are retarded.

@rusty_shackleford

Now you start with ableist slurs. Typical. 🤷‍♀️

@geoffl
Bro youre absokute fucking mongoloid of you think the uk has better speech protections than the us. Please just block me now if youre going to be that aggressiveky stupid.

@rusty_shackleford

You're not even allowed to cross the road wherever you want. Jay-walking? You get arrested for that? 🤣

Your government treat you like small children too young to know when it's safe to cross the street.

You're blind to the freedom you've lost

@geoffl
1. No one gets arrested for jay walking. Its a ticket and only in places that have those laws. Not a federal law or even a state law.

2. Im not saying the us is perfect, but I am saying its better than the uk. Thats demonstrably true. but nice strawman.

Your gov litterally arrests people for mean tweets, and the prosecution doesn't even have to lie that its actually a threat or something, which would get overturned on appeals. Its litterally your law you stupid fucking cuck.

Goddamn, arguin with brits isnt even fun. Its too easy to show how inbred you retards are.
What Americans Get Confidently Wrong About Britain

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@geoffl
Are you hitting on me or something? I mean i knew all brits were retarded. But are they fags as well? Im down but youre gonna need to take me to an actual movie first. I dont like youtube.

Angry ranter using ableist and homophobic slurs blocked me.

https://colorlessgreenvoid.com/notice/B4cevYMRLXun5uKfBo

@rusty_shackleford

Such helpful, much not.

😑 🙄 🤡

@[email protected] How is insulting us constructive?
@Flamekebab @joeress
It might inspire you to stop being pussies and demand your rights.lol
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@[email protected] in the same way that bullying overweight people "helps" them?