Just updated my iPad. It wanted me to take a photo of a credit card. I did not let it. It then told me I might not be able to access certain things. The future is fucking shit.

@joeress That's BS. I never set up ApplePay on an iPad. It's a stupid default and they should REALLY tone down the language.

But, I mean, this is Apple, the only vaguely less rapacious walled garden that wants to own your life lock, stock and barrel.

@feoh @joeress Nothing to do with Apple this time, it's the British government. It's the same government that tried to forbid Apple to do stronger encryption for data on Apple accounts around a year ago.
Your comment to me is proof that haters are gonna hate no matter what, you didn't even bother to inform yourself before commenting.
@mttn @feoh @joeress it's the british gov but it's apple that implemented it.
@f4grx @feoh @joeress
And what are they supposed to do exactly?
Laws aren't optional, they're not a suggestion, there are punishments for not following them.
The alternative is leaving the market entirely which is a little bit exaggerated here.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress laws are optional; especailly for corporations; apple ignores laws all the time

but laws absolutely rely on most people complying actually; just dont  and then they rely on propaganda to get other people to intentionally hurt other people because they 'deserve it' or its a 'punishment' or some shit;

it relies on most people just complying; and it relies on a thought of 'this wont happen to me' and inverting blame and discounting, those who are victimized by it

its just some orginization that makes violent threats towards everyone if they don't do what they say; im tired of them being given a shred of legitimacy,

fuck laws, fuck the state,

@Li @f4grx @feoh @joeress
Right, "fuck the state", say that to the police men and women that will risk their lives to protect you next time that you are in a tough situation.
And of course you can't verify that every single company complies with every single law, it's completely impossible, everyone knows that, but as soon as the laws exist, punishments can legally be applied and you can go to court.
@mttn @Li @f4grx @feoh untag me if you're going to argue please

@mttn @f4grx @feoh

"risk their lives to protect you the nxt time you are in a tough situation"

the 'police' are the last people id goto in a tough situation, and they don't protect anyone, since their idea of 'protection' is compromising the safety of everyone around them, including myself, and doing inflicting harm and state-sanctioned violence and mistreatment towards them;
.. they don't "help" me in anyway ..

.. ACAB .. fuck cops, fuck the state, fuck their 'protection'

> punishments can legally be applied and you can go to court.

what you are referring to as 'punishment' is infact 'intentionally blatantly harming people and then saying its their fault' and it is infact abuse, what you are referring to as 'laws' is infact, threats made by a violent organization to do exactly as they say or else you will have said violence inflicted onto you, and what you are referring to as court, is infact a part of said organization where they manufacture consent to do that.

@Li @f4grx @feoh
I know you won't like what I'm about to say and you will block me, that's fine, but remember, I mean this respectfully because I care, otherwise I wouldn't even have bothered writing it in the first place;
I think you should seek counseling, it's not healthy for anybody to live with a mindset like this.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh
ill "seek counseling" when counselors aren't allowed to violate my autonomy whenever they want 'for my own good' :3

you should stop defending organizations that exist to cause you and people around you immense harm, and read some anarchist stuff, maybe from someone whose a bit less pissed off because you insisted their here for my 'protection' along with 'their legally allowed to hurt you' in the same sentence <3

@Li @mttn @f4grx @feoh agreed, involuntary institutionalisation/hospitalisation is fucking evil. And ruins any trust you may have had in your counselor

@wyatt @f4grx @[email protected] @feoh i mean this suggestion is fucked because the reason is because i don't consider the state making threats towards me any differently to anyone else making threats towards me .. xS and idfk because i said ACAB .. i guess >_<

anyway to avoid getting into another stupid shit for hours where i feel horrible at the end;

 this is pointless .. im not interested in talking to someone who uses subtle ableism towards me; just as much as im interested in someone who appeals who authority figures 'right' to violate my rights..  

so i guess ill just say .. "i am not state property" .. and leave it at that --

@mttn @f4grx @feoh

anyway, i can actually decide what happens to myself; unlike the state, and i do not consent to having my rights blatantly violated by the state for not following their demands, nor do i consent to "protection" that involves compromising my safety and the safety of others applied to me, nor do i consent to being victim-blamed for the shit your inflicting on me and it being seen as okay simply because you called it a 'punishment' and its 'you' doing it;

do you see how it doesn't change anything whether its an 'officer of the law' doing that to me, or a 'criminal' .. either way its the same fucking shit; its still not fucking okay?

thanks; and stop trying to tell me my oppressors are for my 'protection' then describing how their "legally allowed to mistreat and abuse me" 5 seconds later

.. besides, its not 'legal' i have just as much authority to make 'laws' as the state does; because 0 == 0; and i just decided its not, sooo-

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress Apparently they haven't really tried. Big Tech gets away with almost anything and they spend fortunes to lobby governments. They just do that only on behalf of their bottom line, not on behalf of their users. They get every regulation against their monopolies and 30% rent stopped except for in court maybe, they get tax havens and subsidies and what not. And here they were helpless and couldn't have stopped age verification if they wanted to? I call bullshit.

Age verification comes to Big Tech because it doesn't hurt their bottom line as much as regulation that would work. That would require paid personpower for moderation, reliable takedowns, and crucially no forced algorithms based on engagement and ad-click revenue.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress

Apple created a device user have no administrator control over, not the goverment. Such laws are directly enabled by the top-down software control model developed by biggest companies.

@didek @f4grx @feoh @joeress
Completely unrelated because even free software is under the target of these age verifications, same in California.

@mttn @f4grx @feoh @joeress

With free software you can remove any restriction developer was forced to add.

@didek @mttn @feoh @joeress except it's baked in systemd and removing that will be a pain (doable yes, but rebuilding an old systemd from source will be a pain)