Mark KristenssonMar 19
𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"
Hey what stage of winning is it when our troops are maybe setting fire to their own multi billion dollar warships in order to avoid a war the pedopresident started and has no idea how to finish
Mar 19 at 5:11pmWeb
Show threadEasydorMar 19
@Lana
But that's exactly what Trump does to the USA.
Why the bigotry?
Show threadThe Incredible LaserMar 19
@Easydor @Lana when you're a star, they let you do it.
Show threadV'gerMar 19
@Lana Does the Simple Sabotage Field Manual have any details on this?
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@vger "fuck shit up"
Show threadCharlie StrossMar 19

@Lana @vger

"fuck shit up" is fine and dandy IF you're standing on terra firma and the shit in question doesn't include a couple of nuclear reactors and a buttload of high explosives.

If I was a sailor on that ship I'd be really angry about the over-long deployment, but not to the point of sabotaging something that dangerous *and hard to escape from*.

Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@cstross @vger as someone else pointed out, passive resistance can simply be worked around by deploying someone else. Sabotage takes the entire ship out of commission until it can be fixed or replaced.
Show threadThird spruce tree on the leftMar 19
@cstross @Lana @vger yeah I read an interesting reddit thread from a USN sailor who works in those spaces and they have _very_ serious Marines with automatic weapons who look poorly on fucking anything up especially in the explodey hard to escape from areas.
Show threadJohn MaxwellMar 19
@Lana I wouldn't read too much into this. The Navy's first reaction to a disaster is to blame the sailors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion
It could be true, of course. But I wouldn't read too much into this.
USS Iowa turret explosion - Wikipedia

Show threadCassandrichMar 19
@jmax @Lana Hey, even if they didn't do it, if it gets the chain of command paranoid that they might do it, or if it inspires someone else to do it, just the *idea* that it was sabotage floating around in the media is powerful. 😈
Show threadLuzzy is bunnygirlMar 19
@Lana "the war will end any minute now just keep gaining time, just a little bit more, we just have to wait until THE MAN calls it off. Any minute now...."
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@meluzzy the war is going so bad for Trump I keep half expecting him to release the Epstein files to distract attention from it
Show threadChris AdamsMar 19

@Lana @meluzzy πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘

This gave me a proper belly laugh, thank you!

Show threadBeeCyclingMar 19
@Lana @meluzzy It's a tactic. Just keep flipping between Epstein and the war or whatever other disaster he needs to distract from. If all else fails - reveal the crashed alien spacecraft and bodies. πŸ‘½
Show threadMrinappropriateMar 19
@beecycling @Lana @meluzzy I’m surprised he hasn’t mentioned #astrophage powered weapons yet.
Show threadStoneface VimesMar 19
@Lana they're at the stage just before the one where they start fragging their officers.
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@capnthommo "oops I didn't see the LT"
Show threadStoneface VimesMar 19
@Lana that's it. I'm old enough to remember when they did that in 'Nam.
Show threadAngua Mar 19
@Lana

Somewhere between just short of Mutiny and a Second Revolution based on your 2nd Amendment I think.
Show threadNicovel0 πŸ‰Mar 19
@Lana they should get the ship doctor to give it a medical and rule it has bone spurs
Show threadMark T. TomczakMar 19

@Lana Oh, on the Ford too? At this point, the Navy will be damn lucky if Captain David Skarosi doesn't go full-on Red October with that ship. She's not architected for a deployment this long without taking some downtime in port, she's being run on string and chewing-gum for core livelihood features like working shitters, the crew expected shore leave about a couple months ago, and she was diverted into the path of an armed conflict that sprung up overnight and is not a war.

If it's not a war, it doesn't need commitment of a crew that's almost been at sea for a year now and there should be enough time to sail her home and unclog the damn toilets.

(... and no, I don't think for an instant that the sailors set fire to their own home. I think that when you run a crew ragged and a floating city past its standard operational cycle without taking the time and resources to do the needful, the odds of small problems becoming "an hours long fire" approach 1, and a smart chain of command knows that. And a smart President listens to that chain of command because he might know foreign policy (debatable) but they know boats.)

Show threaddragonfrogMar 19

@mark @Lana that makes sense to me - this investigation says more to me about Pete Hegseth being paranoid because he is in way over his head, than about any real likelihood of sabotage.

I have no doubt there's been plenty of cases of small scale sabotage - "oh no, I won't be able to go march 20 miles in the rain this afternoon, the dishwasher broke so we'll just have to stay on base and hand wash everything." But not setting on fire the ship that's keeping everyone alive.

Show threadAlisonW β™ΏπŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆβ™ΎοΈMar 19
@mark @Lana
"a smart President". Ah, I remember what that used to be like. 😒
Show threadDeb Nam-KraneMar 19
@Lana this is not good. I want people to refuse unconstitutional orders that violate human rights, but with our luck, some air force commander will declare himself emperor (pronoun specified on purpose).
Show threadCassandrichMar 19
@dnkboston @Lana Refusal doesn't stop the deployment, it just stops you from being part of it. Sabotage stops it.
Show threadDeb Nam-KraneMar 19
@dalias I get that @Lana
Show threadWorldTravelerAll7Mar 19

@Lana

#Resist

Show threadjonathankorenβ„’Mar 19
@Lana pretty wild accusation without a link, let alone discussion of how the investigation that is happening right now differs from any other initial investigation into a fire.
Show threadPΔ“teris KriΕ‘jānisMar 19
@Lana did anyone see they did that? If yes, they did not see anything.
Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@peteriskrisjanis whoopsie doodle must have been a random buildup of lint in the laundry ventilation which everybody randomly forgot to empty out what a crazy random - and importantly blameless - happenstance
Show threadlemgandiMar 19

@Lana

Shrug. Unlikely. But it's **very** likely that it was an accident caused by one or more exhausted crewmen.

cf: https://www.gao.gov/blog/lack-sleep-has-left-our-military-less-combat-ready-and-more-prone-accidents-dire-consequences

Show thread𝐿𝒢𝓃𝒢 "not yet begun to fight"Mar 19
@lemgandi the interesting thing about simple sabotage done correctly is that it's functionally inseparable from human error.
Show threadKirkMar 19
@Lana The "so sick of winning" part of winning I'd say.
Show threadNazaniMar 19
@Lana Complete BS. Reminds me of when the Navy cooked up a "gay suicide" to cover up poor maintenance/accident on a battleship back in the late 80s.
Show threadDavid BridgerMar 20
@Lana Sailors will put up with a lot of shit for a long time, until one day we don't.
Show threadJonathan SnyderMar 20

@Lana Full article if you want it. Goes into more detail about what's going with the USS Gerald R Ford.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/uss-gerald-r-ford-fire-triggers-navy-probe-into-whether-sailors-sabotaged-ship-to-end-11-month-deployment-amid-iran-war/ar-AA1YUseQ

MSN

Show threadTruth Or Consequences βœ… πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦Mar 22

@Lana

@lemgandi - the interesting thing about simple sabotage done correctly is that it's functionally inseparable from human error.

Show threadThumptastic3Mar 22
@Lana Wow! True heroes!