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- that's not a raven, that's a crow
- it's okay. a crow is a pretty big and cool bird, too

@schratze in my world it's usually a jackdaw being mistaken for a crow
@skippingmoonrocks I've had people mistake jackdaws for ravens before. You're goos
@skippingmoonrocks *you're good. I didn't mean to say "you're goose"

@schratze yeah, it's all goat.

I have one friend who mistakes jackdaws for rooks all the time.

@skippingmoonrocks @schratze did someone mention jackdaws?

@delila @schratze yes! and in an unrelated chat i wanted to show someone a jackdaw flock and dug into my pictures until i found this:

Jackdaws are great!

@skippingmoonrocks @schratze Yeah I made that mistake a lot when I first moved here (Aberdeenshire) โ€” once I heard their voices I soon figured it out :)
@schratze I'm so urban I would probably mistake a raven for a crow because ravens are just rare birds that live far away where I don't dwell (the country)
@schratze I do know that they croak and not caw but according to my father the difference is when you put them next to each other and I would rather not risk it getting my eyes clawed out trying to measure them๐Ÿคฃ
@leguinian_utopia no the calls are the best way to distinguish them. Also the hair tuft on top of the beak, the rhombic tail, and the way ravens soar through the air

@leguinian_utopia @schratze and the sear terrifying size of those things.

good rule of thumb is, if you are wondering if thatโ€™s a raven, it is not. if youโ€™re like โ€œholy mother of jesus what the actual hell is thatโ€ it might be a raven. or a witch in disguise idk.

@whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia agreed. Except if it's at a great distance with no objects nearby by which to judge the size
@leguinian_utopia @schratze my kid just said the other day โ€if far enough, every bird is black.โ€ so in above example identification arrives to black bird.

@whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia @schratze

A big crow looks like it could steal your lunch

A normal raven looks like you'd better just fucking leave your lunch behind

@TeflonTrout @whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia @schratze

I see crows all the time, bigger than pigeons, smaller than seagulls. I don't have a mental image of the size of a raven. I'm tempted to say seagull sized, but now as I type I recall "seagull" is like twenty different species and my local seagulls might not be at all like any of yours. Big enough that you could imagine one eating a whole pigeon

@whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia @schratze I googled "raven size" and holy mother of jesus what the actual hell
@IngaLovinde @whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia @schratze it gets so much worse during puberty! Google 'teen titans raven inflation'

are they like several time bigger than crows?

@IngaLovinde @whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia @schratze

@xarvos @IngaLovinde @whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia no.

Common raven wingspan is 116 to 153 cm. Carrion crow wingspan is 84 to 100 cm.

@xarvos @IngaLovinde @whangdoodler @leguinian_utopia you could have a pretty huge difference in terms of weight. Lowest recorded weight for an American crow is 316 grams. Highest recorded weight for a common raven is 2250 grams
Crows vs Ravens: An underdog story | Communicating Science (2019w112)

@schratze i generally assume all big, all-black colouration birds are crows until evidence indicates otherwise. If I see one that's impossibly big, THEN I'll possibly think "that MIGHT be a Raven", but even then I'll be checking
@schratze here in Tasmania, it's always a raven (or sometimes a currawong, but those have some white on the tail). There are no crows here, the only corvid species is the forest raven.

@DrMcStrange Wikipedia also lists the Little Raven, but that seems to be more of a random visitor?

I feel like I need to point out that there's no clear distinction between crows and ravens. They're both birds in the Corvus genus, but there are several species called crow and several called raven without clear criteria for which species gets which common name.

@schratze there are Little Ravens on King Island, which is part of the state of Tasmania, so it could be that. Maybe we get stragglers too, I don't know.

Yeah, mostly ravens are just the bigger species, but even that isn't consistent. For the Australian species it seems to be more about whether they have hackles (ravens) or not (crows).

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@schratze ravens >= crows and rooks >= jackdaws mostly I think. Rooks have a whitish beak, crows have black. Not a bird expert. I often see a pair of crows on my walk and have been trying to get them to come closer for food.

@schratze The ones in top of Twin Peaks are ravens. Definitely ravens.

The rest of your post checks out, tho. ๐Ÿ˜ธ

@schratze - yes, I like this! a crow is a cool bird, yes!
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"There is no consistent distinction between crows and ravens"

ONE IS PART OF THE OTHER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow

Corvus is latin for raven and means all birds of the genus corvus. Crow is a synonym for corvus. And raven is generally used for big crows.

Stop pretending they're even a thing! It's all the same!
Corvus - Wikipedia

@flaubau you're typically referring to the species that's most common in your area. When someone in central Europe asks how to tell apart crows and ravens, then they're probably asking about the common raven and the carrion crow. Same thing in north America, but with the American crow.
@schratze

interesting take, thank you ^^ what about people who travel a lot? ๐Ÿ˜…

i've seen so many corvids i feel like they're just each other's aunts and uncles

@schratze @flaubau fun fact is that in Russia, the word for "crow" and "raven" is the same, the only difference is grammatical gender (female for crow, male for raven).

Another fun fact is that the crow in the movie "Crow" (including the movie title) was translated with male grammatical gender (i.e. as "raven").

@IngaLovinde @flaubau ah, the two genders.

What gender do rooks get? And jackdaws?

@schratze @flaubau rook is male but it's a completely separate word without any dark associations or connotations. The word is similar to e.g. thrush or woodpecker (both are male too) in shape.
Jackdaw is female but, again, completely separate word, just a regular bird name. The word is similar to e.g. jay (which is also female) in shape.
@IngaLovinde @flaubau oh fun. I remember learning some Slavic languages use the same word for rooks and ravens, and some use the diminutive of the word for crow for jackdaws.
@schratze @flaubau except if you refer to rook in chess, then it's yet another word (meaning longboat) and is female.

@IngaLovinde @flaubau oh, interesting. It's a Turm (tower) in German.

The English words for the bird and the chess piece have no connection. The bird's name is derived from onomatopoeia for its call. the chess piece name has a Middle Persian root which may or may not be related to a Sanskrit word for chariot

@schratze @flaubau apparently russian word for rook (bird) is also derived from onomatopoeia for its call
@IngaLovinde @flaubau the majority of bird names are
@schratze @flaubau I don't think majority of names of common popular birds are? Not even in English probably; and in Russian the only other name I can think of is cuckoo. And I have just checked etymology of like 15 birds I could remember and the only one tracked to onomatopoeia is goose (although a couple more come from general words on sounds topic). Names derived from e.g. colors seem to be more popular.
@IngaLovinde yeah, slight exaggeration probably. It's always either the noise they make, the color they are, or their most prominent behavior
@schratze but the same can be said about anything basically. Animals, plants, etc

@flaubau @schratze @sparks

this still confuses me (and my name is Raven lmao)

i thought they were different, but this is saying they are categorizations of specific species?

@sparklepanic @flaubau @sparks there are several species named something raven and several species named something crow. They're all in the Corvus genus though.

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Ravens can be identified by their quothing โ€˜Nevermoreโ€™

@schratze "you are loved" were the last words I said to my mum that I know she heard from me before she died.

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