schratzeMar 17

Things everybody needs to hear more often:

- you are loved
- your feelings are valid
- you deserve rest
- you don't need to be available at all times
- that's not a raven, that's a crow
- it's okay. a crow is a pretty big and cool bird, too

Show threadEngelbert Schnauzi
@schratze
@sparks

"There is no consistent distinction between crows and ravens"

ONE IS PART OF THE OTHER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow

Corvus is latin for raven and means all birds of the genus corvus. Crow is a synonym for corvus. And raven is generally used for big crows.

Stop pretending they're even a thing! It's all the same!
Corvus - Wikipedia

Mar 17 at 6:22pmWeb
Show threadschratze6d ago
@flaubau you're typically referring to the species that's most common in your area. When someone in central Europe asks how to tell apart crows and ravens, then they're probably asking about the common raven and the carrion crow. Same thing in north America, but with the American crow.
Show threadEngelbert Schnauzi6d ago
@schratze

interesting take, thank you ^^ what about people who travel a lot? 😅

i've seen so many corvids i feel like they're just each other's aunts and uncles
Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸6d ago

@schratze @flaubau fun fact is that in Russia, the word for "crow" and "raven" is the same, the only difference is grammatical gender (female for crow, male for raven).

Another fun fact is that the crow in the movie "Crow" (including the movie title) was translated with male grammatical gender (i.e. as "raven").

Show threadschratze6d ago

@IngaLovinde @flaubau ah, the two genders.

What gender do rooks get? And jackdaws?

Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸6d ago
@schratze @flaubau rook is male but it's a completely separate word without any dark associations or connotations. The word is similar to e.g. thrush or woodpecker (both are male too) in shape.
Jackdaw is female but, again, completely separate word, just a regular bird name. The word is similar to e.g. jay (which is also female) in shape.
Show threadschratze6d ago
@IngaLovinde @flaubau oh fun. I remember learning some Slavic languages use the same word for rooks and ravens, and some use the diminutive of the word for crow for jackdaws.
Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸6d ago
@schratze @flaubau except if you refer to rook in chess, then it's yet another word (meaning longboat) and is female.
Show threadschratze6d ago

@IngaLovinde @flaubau oh, interesting. It's a Turm (tower) in German.

The English words for the bird and the chess piece have no connection. The bird's name is derived from onomatopoeia for its call. the chess piece name has a Middle Persian root which may or may not be related to a Sanskrit word for chariot

Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸6d ago
@schratze @flaubau apparently russian word for rook (bird) is also derived from onomatopoeia for its call
Show threadschratze6d ago
@IngaLovinde @flaubau the majority of bird names are
Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸5d ago
@schratze @flaubau I don't think majority of names of common popular birds are? Not even in English probably; and in Russian the only other name I can think of is cuckoo. And I have just checked etymology of like 15 birds I could remember and the only one tracked to onomatopoeia is goose (although a couple more come from general words on sounds topic). Names derived from e.g. colors seem to be more popular.
Show threadschratze5d ago
@IngaLovinde yeah, slight exaggeration probably. It's always either the noise they make, the color they are, or their most prominent behavior
Show threadInga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸5d ago
@schratze but the same can be said about anything basically. Animals, plants, etc
Show threadRaven (she/her)    2d ago

@flaubau @schratze @sparks

this still confuses me (and my name is Raven lmao)

i thought they were different, but this is saying they are categorizations of specific species?

Show threadschratze2d ago
@sparklepanic @flaubau @sparks there are several species named something raven and several species named something crow. They're all in the Corvus genus though.