RE: https://mastodon.social/@gedeonm/116222100347111745

Not gonna lie. This surprised me. Guess I’m just a hermit for not participating in world travel but I guess that’s what having little money will do for you.

@gedeonm TBH I’ve not actually USED my passport since 2009—last time I visited my former girlfriend while she was studying in England. And I think only 2-3 times before that to see her in Canada.
@gedeonm I have a passport because I travel to Canada 1-2 times a year for work. In 15 years, I’ve never used it for personal travel yet.
@gedeonm I didn’t have an active one before having to do a work trip out of the country last month. Very simple to get one.

@gedeonm I can’t afford it either, even in better times. But I had one 20 -25 years ago, immediately lost it.

I might have crossed into Canada or Mexico if visiting friends near those borders, and I have friends in England.

@gedeonm also this probably isn’t a super representative sample of US citizens; I suspect Mastodon just attracts a more worldly group.
@harpaa01 Yep, no doubt about that at all.
@gedeonm I don't think Mastodon is a good pool for this kind of inquiry.
Ask that on fb eventually.
@thefwguy My thoughts precisely. Mastodon, especially a techy subset of it, is likely not remotely representative of the larger population.
@johnwells @thefwguy ...unless you're asking this specifically of a subset of users, like the tech community ;-)
@JPZ @johnwells what the point to ask questions you can easily guess the result ? :)
@thefwguy @johnwells Whelp, considering @gedeonm's response saying they were surprised, I'd say that answers your question.
@gedeonm At least 90% of my international travel (and initial reason for passport way back when I was in college) was for work. I was fortunate enough to travel to customers in Europe when I was a part-time developer during college, and for the following 15 years or so. I’ve had 3 non-work trips (international or domestic) in last 20 years.
@gedeonm I can understand not needing a passport if you live in the continental US, which is big enough to not need one to travel long distances to fun destinations.
@gedeonm FWIW, we grew up low income, but my Mom worked in the airline industry and got buddy passes for us to use. When she'd be shipped off to another country to train people or something, we'd go travel with her and take advantage of the lodging my Mom would get from work...
@gedeonm I answered no because, while I technically have one, it expired in 2008 and I just have never needed to renew.
@gedeonm Hmmm. I used to but didn’t have a need for one the last decade. Now it is way more expensive and not coincidentally more important to have. In 1993 without a passport, I walked into Mexico at Nogales with college buddies for an afternoon of bar hopping and shopping. Can’t do that today.
@gedeonm You’ll get a wider range off Mastodon. I have grown family who’s never been on an airplane.
@gedeonm I only recently got a new one because of All This. Just In Case. Most of my adult life I have not had a valid passport. That kind of thing might have affected the numbers.

@gedeonm

I'm going to guess where you asked the question skewed the results.

@gedeonm As I suspected, your poll is probably skewed by your audience. In fact, “Less than half of Americans have a passport. Between 45% and 50% of Americans currently hold a valid passport.”

https://rusticpathways.com/blog/how-many-americans-have-a-passport

How Many Americans Have a Passport in 2026?

Between 45% and 50% of Americans hold a valid U.S. passport. Learn more about how many Americans have a passport and passport issuance trends in the United States.

@KingShawn @gedeonm meanwhile in the old land and a small island off the coast of France:

“Approximately 86.5% of usual residents in England and Wales (about 51.6 million people) held at least one passport as of the 2021 Census”

@simonharper @gedeonm I'd be willing to bet those numbers are fairly consistent among most Western/developed countries…
@KingShawn @gedeonm is suspect the same TBH.
@simonharper @KingShawn @gedeonm Europeans need a passport to go anywhere, or at least they did when I lived there in 1980’s. North Americans can travel 1000’s of miles (or km) without needing a passport so the percentage of people holding one is much lower.

@PenguinToot @KingShawn @gedeonm Sure, in the same country. You do know what a passport is and why you need one?

In the EU you can cross borders without a passport in 29 European countries because of the Schengen agreement yet a huge percentage still have one so they can travel to countries outside the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@simonharper @KingShawn @gedeonm Americans, Canadians, & Mexicans used to be able to travel to all 3 countries without a passport, though that’s certainly changed now. Interesting about the Schengen Agreement, I suspected there was something like that. We lived in Switzerland so no EU travel for us, though as Americans we couldn’t have it anyway.