I know 8 trans people well and many more as acquaintances. The 8 people I know well range from being an old childhood friend, to coworkers, to students, to neighbors.

I'm mostly aware that they are trans at all due to the increase in anti-trans laws and blatant transphobia in the US. Were it not for that? I might not know or even care. I worry about them.

In each case the fact that they are trans is one of the less interesting things I know about them.

I sometimes want to just explain to the bigots, this could all be very normal if you'd stop huffing bigoted media and get to know someone who was trans. It's just like ... a hormone imbalance that can be treated. It's like being mad at people for having red hair. If only you knew how boring this could be, how normal. How easy to forget that they are trans.

And I could just forget, if it weren't for the bigotry and the threats to their safety.

In decades of knowing trans people and being in places that are more accepting of trans and LGBTQ people I've never once had someone say "how dare you misgender me" though if someone had I don't know if that would matter, it's just nothing like what people expect and fear.

No one is pole dancing. I do not live in a gay pride parade.

I'm a Christian, I go to church now and then. I'm inwardly kind of prudish and I don't even like being around people swearing much.

All these nerds are so normal. And we are all robbed of feeling normal by the bigotry.

I'm glad that I'm not exceptional among the cis people I know in these communities, who are like me frustrated and angry that people we care about are being used as political props.

But how do you explain that everything is normal? How do you make a big sensation about how there is nothing sensational about the fact that people may change their name, or their gender?

And if you don't like slightly sheltered nerds who wince when we hear swear words there are people who are more outgoing & bodacious: some of them are trans. It's very normal and boring. No one cares.

Whatever cultural daily norms you find ... normal could include trans people. It wouldn't matter. It has no impact on your life.

Why has your fear reached across the country and made one of my students nervous that he can't get his medicine?

How fucking dare you.

I can understand the fears that people have for their children. "be yourself" is good advice but being yourself can be dangerous. And that's often not fair. You might tell your teen daughter "you're not leaving the house dressed like that" you know she could be hurt. It's "better parenting" to make it clear why you are making such demands, but there is this practical impulse to keep young people safe.

I've spoken to parents of trans kids filled with fear.

But, having seen decades of trans lives as an outsider I think it's better to still be yourself in the end. It's healthier. It's safer.

That it is less safe to be a trans kid than a cis kid isn't the fault of trans kids.

Like, we all knew that, right? But it's worth saying anyway I think.

Even if we enter a more repressive world I will still know the same number of trans people.

This is nothing new, and maybe we are painfully turning a corner.

It already exists in little pockets, it works better than the alternatives. It's spreading.

Maybe things are going to get worse before they get better but I believe in and want the future where being trans is boring.

@futurebird

You nailed it. Being trans is one of the *most boring things* about me.

I work for a freaking bank. I'm boring. My coworkers don't even know I'm trans.

And if it weren't for all the bigotry, I would *barely* talk about being trans. It's a completely insignificant piece of my existence.

I ONLY stay loud and involved because it feels like the only way to survive. I am being targeted and my life is being threatened. My literal life. So it becomes the *only thing I'm allowed to think about.*

What's happening affects every aspect of my life. And it's painful and scary every day. And all I want is to build my career, live in a comfy home with my partner, have a bunch of dogs, travel a bit, and become a better cook. But I can't do any of that because I'm instead planning for the possibility of getting arrested just because my ID says 'F' on it. And Republicans have decided that's "the Big Lie."

Just...leave us alone. Ya know? Leave us alone.

@futurebird

The best reaction my wife and I had to telling someone I was transgender was a heartfelt "is that all?"

@futurebird I like to say if me being trans/non-binary isn't the least interesting thing about me, either I'm doing something wrong or society is doing something very wrong. It's only a big deal because people make it so.
@futurebird You want trans to be boring? Well, I'm not entertainment, and don't want to be measured as such. Being trans can and should be a magical and wonderful journey to take in life, while at the same time it is just part of the background.

@futurebird Yeah, wanting to try being another gender out is a risky thing for your personal and social safety. But I guarantee you that trans kids havent come to that decision on a whim. This isn't dating a sketchy significant other. Or even choosing a "bad" major in college. This is about a kid choosing Who They Are.

Countless kids movies are full of "be who you are" narratives. But somehow the cishets want to say "be who you are, but not That".

@futurebird I think there is an element of a fear of having to give some of their culture/identity, which gets tough. Patriarchy is deeply embedded in certain cultures and identities, often people want their kids to follow their 'lineage' or worse even be them or better thems. Being trans messes with that, it -can- destroy these notions and expectations of the patriarchal culture, I feel people are worries about giving up that bit of their identity/culture.
@futurebird In the words of Kahlil Gibran: Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

@wmd

Patriarchy lets predators run wild. At this point I think it's basically designed to do that. You hear right wingers making so much noise about protecting children, but let that child be "imperfect" in any way ?

So upset about the exploitation of the innocent, yet no one is innocent enough to be a victim worth listening to.

"she's a disturbed woman with a long criminal history"

Said the press secratary about one of the Epstein file accusers.

@futurebird It's such a toxic culture :(

It's very ingrained into the right and their identities I think, but also still elsewhere. I've seen enough 'lefties' who feel a lot about their kid following their parents footsteps, but also fear of straying from 'their path' will lead to unhappiness and being afraid for their children. Patriarchy is all they know, and the unknown scares them (helped along by misinformation).

@futurebird @wmd I'm pretty sure every single trans person I've ever met, even the ones who hate children, want to protect children more than any of these fuckers
I desperately wish we could protect children from being trafficked and abused, but the only people who have the power to "protect children" are only """protecting""" them from people like me
@wmd
Not trying to cause trouble, genuinely curious:
What is wrong with wanting your kids to be better versions of yourself?
I mean, I agree forcing them to copy you is abusive. But that's only one way to do it.
You can also gently guide them, and if you don't succeed, c'est la vie.
@futurebird
@light @futurebird problem can be seen in the oft abused? "I just want you to be happy". Who gets to decide what that means? Or maybe they have other priorities, like being or surviving. You can offer them (more) options, but at some point they can make choices you might not understand but still need to respect.

@futurebird I believe that the attack on trans people is an attack on "be yourself", because people who are desperately trying to fit themselves to a norm are more easily led

and I think one thing we all can do is create spaces where people can just be normal as themselves

@futurebird I’ve definitely been there with parents that are wrestling with this fear too, more than any bigotry or biases (plenty of parents of trans kids that do have transphobia to work through too, but this is a thing I’ve seen too among some).

With the way you framed it…it somehow brought to mind the way Ta-Nehisi Coates describes why his family resorted to physical punishment: fear of what the outside world would do to him. I remember that hitting like a pile of bricks when I read “Between the World and Me,” the lesson his family was teaching him before the world taught him that his body didn’t belong to himself under a system of racism.

Makes me think about this parallel, how the current political powers are making it very clear that they do not think trans people’s, especially trans kids’, bodies belong to themselves. How it’s a lesson so many of us have to internalize and navigate to survive. And I can so easily see parents of trans kids wrestling with how to try to instill in them that their lives and bodies should belong to themselves but that there are violence shitheads who don’t.

@JoscelynTransient @futurebird I have zero experience or insight but while my natural sympathy is with the kids, my heart fuckin breaks for (especially Black) parents trying to walk this tightrope. Like it's not hard enough, without having to work out how much to dim their light so the world doesn't snuff it out
@futurebird while I am not a Christian any more, I do wonder why it is so difficult to accept that God might put a soul in the wrong shaped body as a test of compassion for other people.
Do they attempt to help and alleviate the discomfort? Or do they vilify the person in the wrong body and in doing so condemn themselves?
@Taco_lad @futurebird the believers in the dominant form of Christianity in the US don’t really do a lot of compassion, for anyone…
@c0dec0dec0de @futurebird gonna be a big surprise when they kick the bucket and get told to fuck off
@Taco_lad @futurebird right? As a Christian apostate, they should really hope that their religion’s source material is all wrong because they’re not following it and the listed consequences are pretty dire.

@Taco_lad @futurebird

I deeply object to the notion that G-d made me to test other people.

Like, wtf I can't even

@celesteh @Taco_lad

Now that I think about it more it's odd.

@futurebird @celesteh if there were a Christian G_d, They'd have made *everyone* to test other people. How you treat people who are in distress, showing compassion and empathy... Same for everyone in our LGBTQIA+ collective.
I view it the same for myself - if I tell someone what I am and they vilify me, that's not on me, but if there was a G_d, that would be a judgement on them.

Do unto others etc.

@celesteh @Taco_lad @futurebird About 20 years before Roko's Basilisk existed, also before I'd heard of Pascal's Wager or Homer's Heresy (which refutes them both equally well: "What if we picked the wrong religion? Every week we're just making God madder and madder")...I recall some other little kid in West Virginia told me that the pretty seashell fossils in the playground aggregate were "sent" to test our faith, and I precociously blasphemed, what's the point of worshipping a God who plays tricks on us
@n1ckfg @celesteh @futurebird the test being 'are you a decent human and kind to others', it's also known as the golden rule because it turns up in pretty much every religion.

@n1ckfg @Taco_lad @futurebird

When I googled Homer's Heresy, I got a bunch of stuff about the Homeric Question, but my hunch this was a Simpson's reference lead me to Wikipedia.

Anyway, G-d wrestling is categorically not blasphemy.

@celesteh @Taco_lad @futurebird Oh yeah I meant blasphemy in the Evangelical context I grew up in outside the home; we were raised Jewish, so the specifically Catholic theology of Pascal's Wager/Roko's Basilisk doesn't really translate. Judaism is "sola opera", which makes the intent behind good deeds irrelevant; no Hell, and Satans (plural) are God's subordinate employees. It doesn't really solve the problem of "but why evil" though, so the Jewish equivalent of Pascal's wager I think is Maimonides' Via Negativa (We doubt that God is entirely good, because we see humans doing evil; we're certain that God is not entirely evil, because we see humans doing good)...seems to me this ends up as encouragement to act in alignment with our beliefs while hoping for something better than the worst case outcome (we're trapped in a universe with an entirely evil God)...rather than altering our actions to perform belief out of fear of the worst case
@celesteh @Taco_lad @futurebird Anyway what I love about Homer's Heresy is how it tl;dr's that whole Reform Jewish lore dump in two sentences

@futurebird

I mean, fishes change gender as part of their natural life cycle; frogs can as well; many animals are hermaphrodites; some are gynandromorphs; homosexuallity is very common (double-digit percent) in a number of mammals and birds, inclusive of the rearing of chicks. Beyond vertebrates, there’s even more variation. As a biologist, these debates are bizarre, because all that matters is that the population persists over time, and individuals contribute what they want or can to that success. And being nice to each other sure smooths everyday life, increasing chances of success. We are all in it together, here on spaceship Earth.

@albertcardona @futurebird

Diversity in all respects is a strength. It is also a joy. A population of Hegseth clones would be so mind-numbingly tedious that we would welcome its (inevitable) rapid demise.

Imagine a world without railway map nerds. Hideous.

@lionelb @albertcardona

"Hegseth clones"

One is too many of that one.

@futurebird Dawg, yes! If we ate going to clone any cis white, let it be Stephen King, or someone else who is a useful nice guy. @lionelb @albertcardona
@albertcardona @futurebird bigots are all "but biology!" and I'm like yeah, exactly, biology! If you get past what they teach five year olds, it shows us that humans are all the same basic model with a few tweaks in one direction or the other, and lots of overlapping variation.

@jetlagjen @albertcardona @futurebird
“Exactly, Biology!”

I was raised by a microbiologist, so I could have some biases. There are a number of things I hear in those conjectures. If they claim logic or numbers —tell me the difference between a sample and a population. How would you use a ratio to evaluate the relative scale of any factor?
If they appeal to religion, you get that nature always brings diversity? Or are you claiming the gods did it wrong?

@albertcardona
No hermaphrodites or gynandromorphs are mammals though.
I don't see how that makes humans being transgender more "natural".
But of course we should all be nice to each other. There's no doubt about that.
@futurebird

@futurebird
> I've never once had someone say "how dare you misgender me"

Because usually it goes like that:
X: insistently on purpose misgenders Y, adding a bunch of transphobic shit.
Y: "could you please not misgender me?"
X: doubles down on misgendering, adds even more transphobic shit.
Y: "COULD YOU PLEASE NOT"
X: triples down.
Y: "you're asshole", and leaves (if possible)
X, later: "ah, these trans people, they always say "how dare you misgender me""

@futurebird
In my experience, LGBTQ people and their allies want it to be illegal to express yourself in a way that offends them, including misgendering.
Maybe it's different on your side of the pond.

@light

With an online conversation it's hard to know if someone who disagrees with you is being sincere or not.

"LGBTQ people and their allies want it to be illegal to express yourself"

There are always limits to expression. If I decide I don't want to call you by your name, but I feel that "Sealion" is a better name for you, I could get in trouble at work or at school for doing that after you object... because it's rude.

@futurebird
I have to admit, I don't currently work and I haven't been in school for ages. I'm still rebuilding my life. So I can't really comment on that last point. But I reckon it's probably different in those circumstances than in society as a whole. But still, https://qoto.org/@light/116217402058880799
Light (@[email protected])

@[email protected] It says on the page you linked: >Refusing to address a trans person by their preferred name and correct gender pronoun: > A manager repeatedly addresses a trans woman by her previous name or uses "he/him" pronouns, even though she has clearly communicated her preferred name and pronouns, undermining her gender identity in meetings and emails. >Repeated and deliberate mis-gendering of a trans person or people: > A co-worker continuously refers to a nonbinary employee using the wrong pronouns despite being corrected multiple times, doing so in conversations and written communication as a form of disrespect. This is what I take issue with. People should be free to express their opinion on whether a trans person is a man or a woman. Forcing them to act as if someone is a sex which they are clearly not is tyranny of the same kind as Winston Smith being forced to accept that 2+2=5. @[email protected] @[email protected]

Qoto Mastodon
Yes, I sincerely believe in freedom of speech. Is there a problem with that? Does that make me a "sea lion"? What even is a "sea lion"? Someone who asks questions? What's wrong with asking questions? Curiosity and debate are good things.
Do you also have this attitude with your students?
@futurebird

@light

If you have a job, and your boss is named "Jane" but you decide you'd rather call her "Debbie" since you think she looks more like a Debbie than a "Jane" and you also decide you'd rather only speak to her by singing... well is it "against free speech" if she fires you for being annoying and not treating her with respect?

@futurebird That's a silly example. A person's name is their prerogative. Calling someone by a name they don't want to be called by is just plain rude. This goes for both cis and trans people.
That being said, people in power shouldn't punish those "underneath" them for personal reasons.
But not all nouns are names. It's tyrannical to force someone to refer to a man as a "woman" or "she", or vice versa.

@light @futurebird

You think this is a good take because a lot of people who cleared the way for fascists to take over told you that free speech was freedom from accountability and consequences.

You can misgender and dead name anyone you want! You won't be arrested or even fined, nor should you be.

But, someone might get sick of you being a little piece of shit and pick you up and throw you out. And that's their right! They should do that!

And this is what we call "society". Welcome.

@light @futurebird

Btw if you want to change society so that you get to be a piece of shit but trans people don't get to exist in peace you aren't a "free speech advocate", you're just someone who prefers speech that is abusive and harmful and dramatically restricts and suppresses the expression and speech of others in service to abuse.

The vast majority of people who face consequences for their abusive speech literally sought out victims and abused them at work or at home or in the street.

@johnzajac @futurebird Free speech is free speech. If you limit what "free speech" is based on what sort of speech you personally, ideologically like, you, my foe, are a hypocrite and a tyrant.
@light The primary purpose of free speech is so people can tell us who they really are. Then come the consequences.
@Virginicus
Good. And don't forget to hit the door on the way out.