André BarbosaMar 8
nixCraft 🐧
Damn 😱 imaging not being able to download your OS because of where you live right now ...
Mar 6 at 8:25amWeb
Show threadKlaus FrankMar 6

@nixCraft

And this bullshit is because of #ageverification garbage regulation too...

Show threadPenguinTrinity Mar 6

@agowa338
Thats basically legislator's and attorney generals seeking to control human behaviour. The #butthechildren argument is just a skape goat to implement the necessary legislature to collect the necessary data.

Its always a question of data, legislation, cost and time.

This is the cost-effective way of collecting the necessary data in a relatively short amount of time. Later its just a question of extending the legislation.
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Show threadKlaus FrankMar 6

@penguintrinity @nixCraft

We know, you're preaching to the choir.

Show threadHenrik Amaze Amaze Amaze!Mar 6

@nixCraft

And there are all sorts of operating systems, ranging from desktops to doorbells, so how is that even possible. 😄

Show threadTor Iver WilhelmsenMar 6
@henrik @nixCraft Imagine if every user of an ATM or a parking payment machine had to enter their birthdate, or have to scan their ID…
Show threadpunIssuerMar 6
@toriver @henrik @nixCraft afaik you can't access the internet with these
Show threadTor Iver WilhelmsenMar 6
@punissuer @henrik @nixCraft Well, if that restriction is in the law, and it is less broad than it sounded at first…
Show threadpunIssuerMar 6
@toriver @henrik @nixCraft I haven't read the law, but it the point is to block inappropriate content, then what's the point is you can't access anything at all? And the ATM already knows *who* you are
Show threadProstorova Anomalija Mar 6
@nixCraft
Dystopian California.
I hope Californians know how to use torrents.
Show threadAroop RoelofsMar 6

@Sekerias inb4 the use of torrent clients will come with age verification too.
Cus ya know, gotta protect those innocent children from torrenting pr0n...

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Show threadProstorova Anomalija Mar 6

@finlaydag33k

The more cannibals are in power, the more they want to protect children.
The best protection for children is put a bullet in the head of those creatures who write these laws and eat children on their private islands.

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Show threadFreekyMageMar 6
@nixCraft watched this video yesterday on how different distros are responding. https://youtu.be/bfj0wzclY0M
Linux Distros Respond to Age Verification..

YouTube
Show threadBoloMKXXVIIIMar 6
@freekymage @nixCraft
How would "live" distros be affected? If the OS is running off of a flash drive, not installed, and no user account is created, are they exempt? If so, it blows a big hole in the effectiveness of this law. Little Billy can just boot off a flash drive and watch his p0rn.
Show threadFreekyMageMar 6
@BoloMKXXVIII @nixCraft that question is exactly why lawyers are getting involved. Don't forget that different places will have variations on this law, so even if your loophole works in 1 place it might not work in another.
Show threadpunIssuerMar 6
@BoloMKXXVIII @freekymage @nixCraft IANAL, but I think exactly the same as any os that doesn't care about age verification (yet).
"Evidence" of wrongdoing would probably primarily be server logs either way - no one is stopping you from reinstalling or restoring an earlier snapshot of an installed os
Show threadSimranMar 6
@nixCraft "We couldn't deliver your parcel because the driver failed the age verification at the doorbell" 😆
Show threadShaadraMar 6

@nixCraft

This is horrendous.

Show threadHenrik PauliMar 6
@nixCraft The world has gone completely nuts.
Show threadKerplunkMar 6

@nixCraft https://

Another prime example of

What the liars, bullshitters and maga call land of the free.....

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Show threadGryMar 6
@nixCraft it's important to protect kids from open source!
Show threadBenoit PouletMar 6

@nixCraft

US people are so funny 😂

Show threadcontrasocialMar 6

@poulet_benoit @nixCraft

True, but the EU and UK are attempting to do the same bs. People in general are pretty stupid.

Show threadMelroy van den BergMar 6
@nixCraft fk age verification
Show threadlil5 🚲 🇳🇱 ☭Mar 6
@nixCraft @janvlug “check out FOSS torrents” 😂 Torrent is the best way to download Linux ISO’s
Show threadBart Veldhuizen 🚀Mar 6
@nixCraft That's not 100% accurate - they're showing a warning but I don't think they're actively blocking anything? So it's more like the typical American legal bullcrap.
Show threadMx. Alba Mar 6
@nixCraft

Actually, I think this provides a nice little loophole.

The states in question oblige vendors to implement ID checks in their product. They don't oblige users to use an OS that has built-in ID check...

So with this move, a resident of these states who downloads and installs MidnightBSD is not breaking their state's laws, they're only breaking MidnightBSD's Ts&Cs. And MidnightBSD isn't breaking those states' laws either, because it specifically excluded use in those states in their Ts&Cs.
Show threadJoshua LeungMar 6
@MxAlba @nixCraft
Even more tangential reading:
The legal notice on the download page serves as the age gate: "Do not download if you're a Valley Kid" 😜
Show threadgwentlarryMar 6

@nixCraft

VPN?

Show threadslayer256Mar 6
@nixCraft This will blow over like all the covid laws and be deemed unlawful sooner rather than later if no one just jumps on board. Use a virtual machine to access social if you use em. For anything open source any programmer worth a lil salt can setup a fake age system and we all know kids learn fast
Show threadLudwig VielfrassMar 6
@slayer256 @nixCraft the point of these laws isn't to enforce them. It's something to add to your charges when they already want to target you. So feel free to ignore them, but if/when some LE agency decides you're next, that's just one more thing they'll tack on.
Show threadslayer256Mar 7
@lerxst @nixCraft im def not a legal rep in anyway but the law reads that it has to harm a minor in order to get a fine so by that pretext wouldn't that void any charge or other wise if the user isn't a minor and has never let one use the system?
Show threadLudwig VielfrassMar 7
@slayer256 @nixCraft a good question but will cops and prosecutors parse it the same way? Best case you probably had to shell out a couple grand for an attorney.
Show threadslayer256Mar 7
@lerxst @nixCraft I am inclined to agree with you there. But I still feel like there is a loop hole law makers always create one to cover themselves and associates but a nerfed internet as its being called could have benefits too. Just hypothetical again but in pretty much any state its mostly illegal to track or permanently store data about minors. So in that theory almost all tracking becomes illegal
Show threadhnapelMar 6

@nixCraft

Bad, the progressive nature of California has overreacted, the 'protect the children' gang had a win, but it will be for the worse. How is Mila?

Show threadmdfffcomMar 6
@nixCraft omg what does it have to do with installing OS
Show threadTrimTab 🇺🇦Mar 6

@nixCraft
It isn't age verification garbage by some dummy politicians.

It is an evil scam to further normalize privacy erosions, entrench established power and complete the authoritarian controls of the corporate serfdom system we call a government.

Know your enemy. They are far more organized and focused on power than anyone gives them credit for.

Show threadSteve Troughton-SmithMar 6
@nixCraft just wait a few years and that will be everywhere. Age verification (which is almost certainly coming, globally) might just push non-corporate-sponsored OSes out of the market entirely
Show threadsmeikxMar 6
@stroughtonsmith Or maybe don’t just wait and do something against this instead. 🙃
Show threadRaptor Mar 6
@nixCraft It's crazy how many terrible laws managed to quickly sneak through the system while everyone was getting shot at and protesting. Here in MN they also snuck in opening up mining in state parks and BWCA while half our population was literally choking on tear gas and out on the streets.
Show threadan actual busMar 6
@raptor85 @nixCraft canada too. Our dear PM is working with the fossil fuel industry to get projects approved.
Show threadFlorentMar 6
@nixCraft not saying this is ok of course, but haven't Cuban residents seen the same kind of thing for a long time? (Or any other places embargoed by the US)
This is not a rhetorical question btw, I'm genuinely wondering.
Show threadvlakicasMar 6
@nixCraft Living free on our planet, not other planet in our solar system.
Show threadFabio ManganielloMar 6
@nixCraft is it that hard to just slam a “please tick this checkbox to confirm that you’re 18 or older” form?
Show threadtroy_friz_zellMar 6

@nixCraft

I mean, no.

No, you can't have my ID.

I make zero effort to be anonymous on line. I post under my name. But I will never NEVER scan my ID or upload a photo of it. It simply will not happen.

What's that? You require me to give my ID to use your software? OK. I won't use your software.

Fuck you.

I was an adult before computers came to the desktop. I know how to live without them. I also know how to buy and use old things.

So again, fuck you very much. No.

Show threadwoe2youMar 6
@nixCraft I feel like the Venn diagram of "people who want to use BSD" and "people who know how to use a VPN" is a circle, so there's actually nobody unable to download it because of where they live.
Show threadHans van SchootMar 6
@nixCraft how epic, 2026 and we finally have a valid reason to torrent all those Linux / BSD images 😁
Show threadVeronica OlsenMar 6

@hansvschoot Yeah, Linux image torrents would work perfectly here. Good reason to keep them running/uploading too.

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Show threadGrumble 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇬🇱Mar 6

@nixCraft I'm so old that I remember downloading meaningful crypto packages from non-US mirror sites because US sites were not allowed "to export controlled munitions like cryptography".

Either you downloaded better .a and .so library files, or your machine was stuck with stinky, smelly, NSA-tainted DES.

The US has always been bizarre, and often because "think of the children!"

Show threadAlex RosenbergMar 6
@grumble209 @nixCraft I remember when stuff sold in France wasn’t allowed to have any crypto, so AppleShare had to support plaintext password authentication there.
Show threadPickleGlitchMar 6
@nixCraft Thanks Gavin Newsom!
Show threadSimon Zerafa (Status:   😊)Mar 6

@nixCraft

So IP blocking would be the next logical option to implement actual download blocking 🤔

Show threadTheo 🏳️‍⚧️ Mar 6
@nixCraft Let the underground OS trade commence.
Show threadFrançois CMar 6
@nixCraft
Is it time for us to revive the good old Finger protocol?
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1288
RFC 1288: The Finger User Information Protocol

This memo describes the Finger user information protocol.This is a simple protocol which provides an interface to a remote user information program. [STANDARDS-TRACK]

IETF Datatracker