Brandon
Cat ๐๐ฅ (D.Burch) 
โ Can't wait to use and promote illegal operating systems that do not verify age.
Ramon Fincken ๐บ๐ฆ@ramonfincken They already added it? -_-
@catsalad really? Where
@ramonfincken Oh, nevermind.. They are discussing it
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2026-March/043510.html
Toni Aittoniemi@ramonfincken @catsalad Servers: I run an operating system too!
Will California obey the law and inspect all the data centers in California on Jan 1st 2027? ๐ค
Thepi@gimulnautti @ramonfincken @catsalad 'We had to remove Ansible from our cloud deployment as it is fourteen years old and therefore not old enough to access GitHub.'
Elvith Ma'for@thepi @gimulnautti @ramonfincken @catsalad Docker is 13 years old, Kubernetes 12 years. Now you also can't do GitOps anymore.
Oh: What age do current AI crawlers have? Just asking for a friend...
@gimulnautti @ramonfincken @catsalad
All those AI webcrawlers are going to be in a bit of a pickle...
All those AI webcrawlers are going to be in a bit of a pickle...
Daniรซl Franke 
@ramonfincken @catsalad If you think itโll stay limited to the usa, i have a bridge to sell you.
Kevin Karhan 
@ainmosni @ramonfincken @catsalad Well, then maybe that shithole country USA beeds to get treated like North Korea: As a pariah to the world!
@catsalad @ramonfincken Reading through this concept, Iโd like to remind everybody that constantly polling a big wide honking bracket can be used to pinpoint exact details. Replying โunder 13โ every day until today (you now reply โ13-16โ) means today is your 13th birthday. There is zero point in adding brackets when services can already determine your exact age using this method.
California needs to stop writing hopes & prayers and start writing laws which include expert guidance.
Light@ClickyMcTicker
At least they're not getting it straight away. Makes it harder for them.
@catsalad @ramonfincken
At least they're not getting it straight away. Makes it harder for them.
@catsalad @ramonfincken
๐ถMark Nicoll 3.5%๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๓ ฟ๐ฌ๐ง๐ช๐บ๐บ๐ณ@ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken that's why I have not already lied about my kids ages and set them up multiple accounts on web services they're not old enough to use yet.
Fluffy Kitty Cat
su_liam@fluffykittycat @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken The point is to fight oppression. By any means necessary.
@su_liam @fluffykittycat @ClickyMcTicker @catsalad @ramonfincken so "REFUSE TO COMPLY" AS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE!
RootWyrm ๐บ๐ฆ
@catsalad @ramonfincken which means they will add it. The whole 'open source' and 'discussion' thing is a veneer over the fact that Shuttleworth is one of those people Big Mad about no more Apartheid, and super into phrenology, eugenics, and loves his pal Thiel.
LR@rootwyrm @catsalad @ramonfincken it is also well established that he eats his own poop and has a tattoo of heinrich himmler on his balls
i mean if you must slander why not go big
Grumpy Old Techie ๐๏ธ@grumpyoldtechie @catsalad @ramonfincken no shit, Sherlock. It's also the wrong place to show your whole ass by leaping to the defense of a lunatic billionaire.
@catsalad @ramonfincken โneedโ(spit)
Chris ๐ณ๐ธ
CyberFrog
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TheZorseI started wondering if my TV remote control was smart enough to have an operating system, then thought:
What happens when using remote display software to control multiple computers running different operating systems from a single monitor.
Will you have to verify your age on the local computer, then again on each remote one?
What happens if you have a multi-boot PC? Separate age verification for each OS?
So many questions, so much deep appreciation for the morons who have completely thought through every single ramification of this wonderful new idea; ๐คฎ
shadows
danwwilson 
๐ผ๐ฎ๐ป๐ช๐น๐ช๐ฝ๐ฑใใใโฎ(๐๐จ๐ฆ)we need to focus hard on building serious open hardware capacities, because if ppl will opt out of proprietary operating systems which verify age, they will move age verification into hardware, so we need to avoid proprietary hardware too. ...better to start immediately supporting that and sharing options, because its not a questiin IF, but only WHEN they will do that.
Amorpheus@serapath @catsalad One day you'll probably will have to present your ID to buy hardware, binding the machine id to it, as for sim cards already. Buy new hardware now, not only because of Hormus, Taiwan and BigTech stressing memory prices, but because we all will have to wait several years for the autocratic regimes to grind each other up to the point where they crumble from their own ignorance.
yeah, if we just wait, that day you describe will surely come.
Soms wait for times to change, others seizes it forcefully and act, because the best way to predict the future is to create it.
If we dont built the alternative and look for others who do to team up and support them to grow a strong alternative network that produces the future we want - we will for sure NOT get the future we want.
protesting might block studf temporarily, but not produce a better alternative
@serapath @catsalad I agree with you that the future will be what we decide it to be.
But FOSS is one thing. Chip and PCB design and production is another league, that we as a free and independent intellectual community cannot achieve that easily.
We can only create a market niche by supporting it where we can, hoping that some company will follow our call. But even then those companies will have to comply with national regulations.
@Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad
Whatโฝ Someone tell @tubetime! (See also https://monster6502.com/) ๐
Whatโฝ Someone tell @tubetime! (See also https://monster6502.com/) ๐
TubeโTime@GerardThornley @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad for actually useful desktop computing, it still comes down to getting wafers fabbed. not too many advanced fabs around the world these days. Taiwan, South Korea, US, france, probably a few others.
@tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
nobody said it was easy.
the first published linux version 0.01 was published in 1991.
Would anyone believe where this could go decades later? no!
did anyone imagine open source 3D printers and a network of private ppl offering 3d printing services would ever be a thing?
etsy even offers 3d printing services.
It just needs a start.
There are projects like the https://mntre.com/ and a lot of open tech exists to further grow an ecosystem
@serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad
https://youtu.be/HfSO-LCKmrA I wonder what this guy is making
Thereโs a Class 100 semiconductor cleanroom inside this backyard shed.
@fluffykittycat That was inspiring. Thank you for sharing.
@fluffykittycat @serapath @tubetime @GerardThornley @Amorpheus @catsalad Blue Crystal Meth Computing!
@tubetime @Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad ๐ yeah, I was kidding! I know we aren't going to knock up a PCB-based, GHz-speed, super-scalar, super-pipelined CPU in our sheds. (And the power consumption of you could! ๐ฅ)
Now that I am thinking about it, though, I wonder what actually would be achievable for an enthusiastic amateur with means? For instance, would it be plausible for them to make an actual 6502 chip? At what point in the history of silicon manufacturing did cost and complexity make it utterly unachievable outside of the existing players in the industry?
@GerardThornley @tubetime @Amorpheus @catsalad
i do think in a fediverse world and beyond that peer to peer world, where people leave big tech and embrace self custody, may it be through self hosting (if ppl got the skills) or through embracing peer to peer apps where their identity is represented by a "seed phrase" that represents thei cryptographic keypair, which they write down and store away safely.
...hardware you can trust in is vital, even if it is slow, so ppl will buy open hardware๐
@GerardThornley @tubetime @serapath @catsalad ARM is a good example. They just design circuitry, they do not fabricate it. Design is in the grasp of small expert groups and even individuals, but fabrication is only possible if you accumulate enough financial support.
Make your design and propose it. If you get enough supporters, let dedicated fabs produce it.
national regulations
you mean regulatjons made by the epstein class?
its hard to regulate an open source bazaar where private ppl offer their printing services.
what are you exactly afraid of?
why wouldnt platforms like etsy or more open alternatives exist in the future?
@Amorpheus @serapath @catsalad wait a minute... I bet you're just saying this to create a price spike in computer hardware, you must have shares in RAM or disks or something. Let me just take a look at what the market's doing ... THE PRICE IS WHAT, NOWโฝโฝโฝ Never mind...
@GerardThornley @serapath @catsalad Sorry to disappoint you. I don't have any money invested in stock or currency markets. And even if every single fediverse user would buy new hardware, it would be but a insignificant fraction of the impact AI expansion has on the memory market.
@serapath @catsalad I've been thinking about this. We should design for bigger mode sizes. If we can manufacture open hardware on the same fans that make power electronics we're pretty much home free. We will have to give up peak performance and power efficiency to do so.
In the meantime, don't throw out any hardware that runs and some of what doesn't. Old corpo laptops were cheap last I checked (double check because of RAM) and probably a good thing to buy by the palletload
@serapath @catsalad and people need to get this through their skulls right now.
If that's your "solution" then you had better be prepared for nothing more advanced than a cut-down Raspberry Pi 1. You will never see anything resembling a modern processor again.
Hardware is EXTREMELY capital intensive. You cannot "open source" a 12 layer PCIe AM5 motherboard. This is why people need to be making clear to hardware companies that this collaboration will result in consequences well beyond sales drops
If that's your "solution" then you had better be prepared for nothing more advanced than a cut-down Raspberry Pi 1. You will never see anything resembling a modern processor again.
Hardware is EXTREMELY capital intensive. You cannot "open source" a 12 layer PCIe AM5 motherboard. This is why people need to be making clear to hardware companies that this collaboration will result in consequences well beyond sales drops
Nicole ParsonsI am a big advocate of smuggling solar panels and wind turbines into red states.
Joonq@joonq Apparently 
WeatherPunk Foxboy@catsalad Seriously, what is even the enforceability on any of this? Also, whats stopping all of us from saying we are 30? Does it actually tie to any sort of identification, or are we just effectively creating "kids accounts" ala Netflix?
GrumpyDad ๐บ๐ฆ๐ต๐ธ@weatherpunk @catsalad Wanna bet they expect "AI" to fix this?
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