Mastodawn

Loops.video isn't TikTok, your account will be suspended for violating our policies by sharing extreme right-wing content.

Before you claim free speech, it's a bit different in Canada 😉

"Freedom of speech in Canada guarantees freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including press freedom. While fundamental to democracy, this right is not absolute and is subject to "reasonable limits" under Section 1, such as restrictions on hate speech, defamation, and obscenity."

Report them 😎

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@dansup
Am really impressed by the policies in Canada. Freedom of speech shouldn't mean use of vulgar languages or using that Freedom to suppress and violate other people's rights. Didn't the Canadians protest against this policy?

Phoenix Paulina Schmid Feb 26

@nuwagaba2 Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences. Freedoms end at that point where someone or something threatens the freedoms of others.

Besides that does freedom of speech only protect against an government, not society or single people.

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@gelbphoenix
If law can't provide justice and protect people's rights and freedom, what then is it's importance?

Phoenix Paulina Schmid Feb 26

@nuwagaba2 You're turning my words in my mouth.

The borders of freedom of speech are not a strict line but a vast gray zone.

Clinton Anderson SwordForHire Feb 26

@nuwagaba2 @dansup

So called "vulgar" language is protected.

And it shouldn't be any other fucking way!

My government cannot stop me from telling them to get fucked

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson
I was also wondering how this is possible. Are you also from Canada?

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson @nuwagaba2 @dansup

i think "vulgar language" in this context is not

"fuck you you fuckity fuck"

i think it is

"you {bigoted slur} you {bigoted slur}, go {self-harm} or i will {threat of violence}"

Clinton Anderson SwordForHire Feb 26

@benroyce @nuwagaba2 @dansup

Which is already covered by hate speech restrictions....

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson @nuwagaba2 @dansup

right but you understand my clarification, so there is no need to go after someone on the basis of not understanding their intention with the use of "vulgar language"

Clinton Anderson SwordForHire Feb 26

@benroyce @nuwagaba2 @dansup

Language use is not universal....

Doesn't mean I don't think some people who use some words in some context don't deserve a fist in the mouth....

🤙

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson @nuwagaba2 @dansup

amen

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson
That's right. But how can they be held accountable for their actions?

Passwordsarehard4 Feb 26

@nuwagaba2 @ClintonAnderson we put big guys in all the hallways that punch Nazis, after properly informing them of course.

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@passwordsarehard4
That would be good indeed . But how many would support that?

Clinton Anderson SwordForHire Feb 26

In my world, there would be Public Internet Spaces from where someone could and would be permanently banned.

But people won't like it, because I would treat it like Public Banking and you would need to be 1)Above Age Of Majority to open an account 2)your identity would need to be verified.

IRL, if you're in prison and you want to join a gang, you often can, but you absolutely cannot visit the public library, a public sidewalk etc etc etc.

It's not a perfect analogy, sure... But it'd be a damn fair sight better than now

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@ClintonAnderson
That's the only weakness of democracy. Decisions are taken by the majority and yet people make decisions based on what makes them feel good not what actually benefits them. That ex9pains why we can't stop bad leaders from rising to power because they easily manipulate people's feelings . Can't such a decision be taken without considering public opinion?

@nuwagaba2 @dansup the debate of censorship has been huge in the US since the 60’s. Most people hear "censorship" and automatically say it’s bad. But it’s not inherently bad. There is bad censorship, but there’s also good censorship.
For example, if somebody is using free speech to threaten somebody, and therefore restricting that person’s free speech, that’s not free speech for everyone.
The problem is when the US implemented free speech, the abuse of it was not a foreseeable issue.

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@Slic330
That's right. How many people would support that such a policy?

darknetDon Feb 26

@Slic330 @nuwagaba2 @dansup yeah well i wouldnt get too held up on what the americans are saying about free speech, because it is that very free speech that is a huge contributor to the active retardation of the entire population of people. The media can say what they want, with no repercussions, and as a direct consequence of this, people see no reason not to believe the shite they are hearing. Secondly, what amounts to bad and good censorship is too subjective for this sort of discussion.

Nuwagaba Gift Feb 26

@darknetDon
You're right at a certain extent. Do you support freedom of speech or speech censorship?

McHollander | Celtic Folk Bard Feb 26

@dansup That argument never goes well anyway. Free speech isn't a total lack of consequences for speech from private actors (such as platforms refusing to host dickhead opinions). It's just a government thing :-)

Openhuman Feb 26

@dansup same in Germany

Eduardo Collado 🚲🇪🇺Feb 26

@dansup Same in Spain and in all EU.

LittlePolarBear Feb 26

@dansup
Tbf the first amendment applies to the government's handling of speech. A platform or instance could limit speech however they please without 1A worries.

Passwordsarehard4 Feb 26

@LittlePolarBear @dansup ideally, it gets a little sloppy when a social media company is owned and directly operated by high ranking government officials

@LittlePolarBear

In Canada promoting hate is a crime that can be prosecuted no matter who the victims or perpetrators are.

Passwordsarehard4 Feb 26

@mHtt @LittlePolarBear youd be so worried about insulting someone youd be constantly apologizing to evryone…oh I think I just understand something.

ΞVΞ🦋Feb 26

While fundamental to democracy, this right is not absolute and is subject to “reasonable limits” under Section 1, such as restrictions on hate speech, defamation, and obscenity.”

Yet “the greatest democracy in the world” can’t understand this simple concept because “certain folks” don’t want to lose the privileges they’ve gained for using those forms of speech. Also which is exactly why we (in the US) are where we are right now. Letting it breed and fester has consequences. No developed society should be clashing with archaic schools of thought like white nationalism, Zionism, misogyny, racism, fascism, and all the other -isms … yet here we are.

I will be reporting them. Expeditiously.

SlightlyCyberpunk Feb 26

@dansup American freedom of speech wouldn't apply here either FWIW, you ain't a government lol

While idiots on the right do love to misunderstand things, I don't think there is any nation in which freedom of speech implies a right to publication by others. That'd just be slavery. Although I guess the right doesn't really see that as a problem...

George B Feb 26

I have seen them refer to public healthcare as slavery (of doctors) so they're perfectly fine with using that argument when it suits them no matter how nonsensical

David Fleetwood - RG Admin Feb 26

@admin @dansup That's...not what slavery is...

SlightlyCyberpunk Feb 26

@reflex @dansup Forcing people to perform labor without pay or consent isn't a form of slavery? It is not chattel slavery but there are other definitions that this would meet.

I think it hits all four of the British definitions from Collins:

slavery in British English
(ˈsleɪvərɪ IPA Pronunciation Guide )
noun
1. the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his or her life, liberty, and fortune
2. the subjection of a person to another person, esp in being forced into work without pay
3. the condition of being subject to some influence or habit
4. work done in harsh conditions for low or no pay

And two out of four from the American side:

slavery in American English
(ˈsleɪvəri , ˈsleɪvri )
noun
1. the owning or keeping of enslaved people as a practice or institution; slaveholding
2. the condition of being an enslaved person; bondage; servitude
3. a condition of submission to or domination by some influence, habit, etc.
4. hard work or toil like that done by slaves; drudgery

David Fleetwood - RG Admin Feb 26

@admin @dansup People have responsibilities and obligations in every society. That is not slavery in any sense of the term. Get a sense of proportion dude.

SlightlyCyberpunk Feb 27

@reflex @dansup You really think forcing publishers to publish literally any content from anyone who asks would be reasonable? Sure, I'll just force the local paper to publish all of Wikipedia, why not? They have a responsibility to publish it! Something like an equal time requirement could be a reasonable responsibility, but "publish anything from anyone" is not.

David Fleetwood - RG Admin Feb 27

@admin @dansup Still literally not slavery in any sense of the word. I'm not advocating for such policies, I'm saying that your use of the term slavery is incredibly insulting.

You can literally choose not to be in the business in question, or own the platform in question, or participate in the thing in question. A slave in any form has no such options. Stop making that idiotic and insulting comparison.

Clinton Anderson SwordForHire Feb 26

Even in Canada "Freedom of Expression" means you're free to express and THE GOVERNMENT can't censor you.

It doesn't mean anyone else is prevented.

@dansup On https://loops.video/terms I can read:

"These terms and conditions are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of New York and you irrevocably submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts in that State or location."

So, which is it? Which law applies to Loops? Canada or NY State?

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@dansup Stay safe until it's done, one bad lawsuit can be devastating.

Fokeu🌸Feb 26

@dansup I'd rather not use any kind of shorts

Billz 😘🩷Feb 26

@dansup Loops isn’t the federal government anyway. Anyone can be banned, for any reason, IMO. 😂

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@billzismyname @dansup

many people don't understand that

"FREEZE PEACH!! WHARGARBL..."

right:

#freespeech from the govt

from the point of view of a private entity, be it twitter (bad) or some mastodon server (good) you can suspend for any reason

so pick the server that suspends in alignment with your desires

if i invite you into my house and you don't take off your shoes, i kick you out. you don't get to shout "FREE SHOES!" it's my fucking house. *that* is the freedom in question

Enema Cowboy Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup

I haven't thought of this guy in a long time.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@Enema_Cowboy @billzismyname @dansup

hello fellow ancient troller of the internet, who also remembers fark.com 🤭

Enema Cowboy Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup

Remember the Forbes Insoluble Plates pilgrim, Patrick Tribett, or "Lootie"?

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@Enema_Cowboy @billzismyname @dansup

😂

apologies, no

i bow before my elder old meme scholar

Enema Cowboy Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup

Enema Cowboy Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@Enema_Cowboy @billzismyname @dansup

🤣 🤣 🤣

neurons just fired in my brain that haven't fired in 20 years

Chancerubbage Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup @mastodonmigration

I warn you however- my socks stink.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@Chancerubbage @billzismyname @dansup @mastodonmigration

😂

you can keep your shoes on as long as you got jokes

Chancerubbage Feb 26

@benroyce @billzismyname @dansup @mastodonmigration

I see your welcome mat and raise you a shuffle dance before entry.

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@Chancerubbage @billzismyname @dansup @mastodonmigration

shuffle dancing is SERIOUS BUSINESS

you will be rated on a scale of 1 to 5. anything below a 3 and you get shuffled 🤭

@dansup Our Charter protects "Freedom of Expression", not freedom of speech.

We really need to be careful to explain these concepts accurately.

contranym Feb 26

@dansup hate speech is not free speech!

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

@makeitmythic @dansup

it really is not

hate speech is speech intended to remove someone else's freedoms based on race, religion, orientation, gender identity, etc

how is speech meant to remove freedom, a freedom?

it isn't

notanowl Feb 26

@benroyce how is speech meant to remove freedom, a freedom? - okay socrates...jking

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES Feb 26

😂

joke away! it's all good

because there are millions of morons who think they are supporting freedom by supporting... fascist speech trying to remove freedom

🤦

how do people get this fucking stupid?

K_L_Cooper Feb 26

@benroyce @brotherpsyche
🤷🤷🏽‍♀️🤷‍♂️ ... 🤮