@benroyce

I don't think calling people "lazy entitled lumps" is going to make them more likely to vote.

@jztusk

i don't think anything we could ever say will get them to vote

so therefore we will indeed shame them, so anyone else listening who is not a lazy entitled lump does vote

@benroyce

Well, that's definitely a strategy, and you've thought about what you think will be the most effective, and I've got no evidence that it isn't, so go ahead I guess (not that you need my permission).

Me, I'm going to go ahead with trying to show people it's in their own best interests to vote. Maybe between the two of us we'll cover all the bases? :shrug:

@jztusk

so let's say you take one of these typical assholes whining loudly about how they won't vote until {X} happens

say everyone bends over backwards and makes {X} happen

they still won't vote. they will invent a new reason not to

this is their identity. making dramatic displays of their "moral superiority" to justify their indolence, entitlement, and alienation

of course, morality without action isn't morality at all, it's just ego masturbation

they're losers. literally: they lose

@benroyce

Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.

But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...

@benroyce

... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.