Mastodawn

I don't think calling people "lazy entitled lumps" is going to make them more likely to vote.

i don't think anything we could ever say will get them to vote

so therefore we will indeed shame them, so anyone else listening who is not a lazy entitled lump does vote

Well, that's definitely a strategy, and you've thought about what you think will be the most effective, and I've got no evidence that it isn't, so go ahead I guess (not that you need my permission).

Me, I'm going to go ahead with trying to show people it's in their own best interests to vote. Maybe between the two of us we'll cover all the bases? :shrug:

ᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIES

so let's say you take one of these typical assholes whining loudly about how they won't vote until {X} happens

say everyone bends over backwards and makes {X} happen

they still won't vote. they will invent a new reason not to

this is their identity. making dramatic displays of their "moral superiority" to justify their indolence, entitlement, and alienation

of course, morality without action isn't morality at all, it's just ego masturbation

they're losers. literally: they lose

Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.

But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...

... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.

Right. And the question is what is effective to achieve that

Validating bad behavior doesn't achieve that

We're talking about adults here

The idea that there is someone who goes "well i'm not going to vote because someone was mean on social media" is not a serious proposition

Littterer A is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and soothes their precious feelings and otherwise validates their behavior

Litterer B is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and smashes their side mirror while other people cheer

Which will make the litterer think?

Your problem is your false assumption people who don't vote have a valid reason. They don't. They're just entitled lazy assholes

We disagree.