OliverFeb 24
Jeff Geerling

re @claudeai

I've identified industrial-scale copyright violations on my content by Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, X, and more.

These companies created thousands of crawlers incorporating the text of all my blog posts, open source code, and books into their paid AI models to profit exorbitantly.

Feb 24 at 4:21pmWeb
Show threadgaryFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai please retain a lawyer, that is what rsj would do
Show threadJeff GeerlingFeb 24
@gary_alderson I have a lawyer, but not the funds to try attacking orgs that could sink a few million dollars into fighting a lawsuit at the drop of a hat.
Show threadgaryFeb 24
@geerlingguy some hungry starving bright lawyer may take it on contingency - i believe there have already been class actions and settlements - you sould consult somebody and stay apprised, it is a dynamic situation #rsj forkbomb
Show threadjoostetoFeb 26
@gary_alderson @geerlingguy
Most lawsuits against firms abusing open source copyrights don't end in multi-million payout, but with a the abusers issuing a pinky-promise that they will not to it again.
That pinky-promise cannot feed the hungry lawyer.
Show threadgaryFeb 26
@joosteto @geerlingguy make sure you adhere to the license and no problems - most are pretty generous, if i ever have people saying they need something taken down i usually don't have a problem with that but the ai bot nets harvesting open source ip may be a claim worth pursuing since there are fungible assets, there already have been class actions and it should continue, hungry lawyers will do fine, probably some precedents will be reached - it is going to be an ongoing issue #source #types of licenses #forks #depositions
Show threadNemoFeb 25

@geerlingguy
I suspect that of you started a fund to hurt those bastards, many would contribute.

I would, for one.

@gary_alderson

Show thread拔刀问路--经常截图评论Feb 24

@geerlingguy @claudeai

As Chinese proverb says: He who steals a hook is put to death, but he who steals a country is made a marquis.

Show threadColin JacksonFeb 24

@longLiveCarryOn @geerlingguy

They hang the man and flog the woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
But leave the greater villain loose
Who steals the common from the goose

Show threadAlastair TempleFeb 24
@geerlingguy self awareness is not strong with this lot.
Show threadJohn PooleFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai Copyright violations give you a hunting license to go after the offenders, but with a possible award of attorneys fees. You'll never get to the point of a judgment, there will be a settlement and probably not worth it after all the headache. Our judicial system is broken. Accept their copying and just continue creating.
Show threadMarián KyralFeb 24
@VogueLaGalere @geerlingguy @claudeai Wrong.
Show threadAlessandroFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai oh no! Someone used content in a way that was never meant/allowed in the licensing agreement? Outrageous! We should collectively push for legislation that prohibits this kind of abuse, ideally on a worldwide scale.
Seriously, I like Claude but just like when OpenAI cried about DeepSeek, I laugh. You can’t do one thing and then complain when others follow your steps.
Show threadPixelJonesFeb 25
@AlexTheStampede @geerlingguy @claudeai Hah, yes! Cory Doctorow cites how Facebook famously scraped people's friend connections & posts from MySpace so users would find it easier to migrate to FB ... but .. if a startup tried to do the same to Facebook today, their lawyers would nuke it from space until the rubble glowed. The bell always tolls for Thee not for Me, don't you know.
Show threadLogan LandFeb 24
@geerlingguy They do really need to stop complaining about this publicly, its not helping them on the business side. Every single model provider did/doing some version of misappropriation/stealing of human produced content. All the providers listed above are Chinese and beyond the control of even the USgov.
Show thread🇺🇦🇪🇺 C. WeickhmannFeb 24
This is just lol. By the way, is it possible they are in hot waters with investors at the moment?
Show threadMikO Feb 24

@geerlingguy @claudeai as always: "it's only bad, if it happens to us, not if we do it" ^^

but you suggest that there is "profit" in AI, which there is clearly not, at least not at the current point in time ^^

Show threadcodingjoe  Feb 24
@geerlingguy and here I thought, you own the tokens you create... Guess only when it suites the narrative
Show threadLibre>GratisFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai The entire tech industry has been corporate espionage, spite forks, and shit throwing since the 8088 was considered fast, and I'm sick of pretending it's not.
Show threadramblingsteveFeb 24
@geerlingguy copyright is only applied to poor people.
Show threadAaronFeb 24
@ramblingsteve @geerlingguy it always comes down to class
Show threadTuhinFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai it's like Facebook and other social media where user generated content made profit for the social media companies! Now the whole internet is generating profit for the AI companies, the only difference is we didn't sign up for AI!
Show threadsheepuFeb 24
@geerlingguy "distillation attacks" like what, they think their product is some kinda fine wine? stuff's just a septic tank ​​
Show threadAleksandarFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai - industrial-scale copyright violations today, tomorrow - global-scale human rights violations. What can go wrong.
Show threadLyubomir Ganev Feb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai
Show threadEmile RienksFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai "Fair? Who's the f*cking nihilists around here?"
Show threadJack Yan (甄爵恩)Feb 24
@geerlingguy Good on you, Jeff! Iʼm not skilled enough to identify them all, but there is evidence in our records of Microsoft and Open AI, Google, Tencent, Alibaba and ByteDance harvesting our content at a mass scale. @claudeai
Show threadRay McCarthyFeb 24

@geerlingguy
Actually they are charging and making a loss, so I hope it bursts soon.

Anthropic have a cheek.

Show threadΞVΞ🦋Feb 24

@raymaccarthy

Several cheeks

Show threadJessy KennaFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai
Show threadDevinFeb 24
@geerlingguy @claudeai Good news! They have in fact not profited exorbitantly, as not a single one has made any profit whatsoever.
Show threadJeff GeerlingFeb 24
@devin_and_earth @claudeai Haha well not in accounting terms / 'reality', but the valuations allow them to purchase billions in hardware and data center capacity.
Show threadBoloMKXXVIIIFeb 24
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Show threadI am Jack's Found 404Feb 24

@geerlingguy

I agree with this post in sentiment... However,

I boosted this but then unboosted because clicking the [@] claude took me to the threads website...

Is there any way to avoid that (like brackets to disarm the URL, or spell it out fully at least?) or is that a per-client thing that needs to be fixed?

Show threadsamiamsamFeb 24

@geerlingguy @claudeai

we get to steal everything

how dare anyone steal from us

HOW DARE THEY

*head desk*

Show threadTubemeisterFeb 25
@samiamsam @geerlingguy There's always an XKCD, but sometimes there's a Calvin and Hobbes too
Show threadMarioFeb 25
@geerlingguy well, this is why most people do not tolerate the AI hype. Just so you know, there is an AI blocker you can use on your websites: https://anubis.techaro.lol/
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Weigh the soul of incoming HTTP requests to protect your website!

Show threadKay Ohtie 🔜 FWAFeb 25
@mariob I feel like I should better figure out tweaking, but I did stick it in front of the privacy proxies I self-host for more of a "clean-up" purpose (breezewiki, redlib...) and I keep forgetting to do this for my Forgejo too. My logs keep growing absurdly fast despite blocking stuff otherwise.
Show threadIrishMASMSFeb 25
@claudeai @geerlingguy bummer, perhaps letting women decide what happens with their own bodies resonates differently now
Show threadTiesha the TransgressorFeb 25

@geerlingguy

Stealing from all of the world? Seemingly alright.

Stealing from AI companies? Industrial-scale copyright violation……

Show threadchebraFeb 26
@tail_call @geerlingguy Notice how they are carefully avoiding the term "copyright", because they know they can't have copyright on the LLM outputs (that would be a nice shitstorm if they could and suddenly claimed copyright on all the vibe-coded projects). They know Deepseek isn't doing anything illegal, so Anthropic is just publicly whining "Mooom, they are mean to us!"
Show threadIAGFeb 25
@geerlingguy I'm really hoping that these AI companies just eat each other in some industry-wide ouroboros
Maybe then investors will realize it's mostly bull and things can return to some semblance of normalcy
Show threadDavid BenderFeb 25
@geerlingguy
AI companies:
Show threadIsu 🐲Feb 25
@geerlingguy @claudeai Hey, Anthropic, does that mean you will go bankrupt? 🥺
Show threadJaye 🍊Feb 25
@geerlingguy @claudeai Turnabout is fair play. The pot calling the kettle black. Take your pick.
Show threadGilgwathFeb 25
@geerlingguy My exact reaction as well, when I heard that the AI grifters are now complaining to the gov about other grifters grifting on them. @[email protected] it's only a bit embarrassing, a tiny bit. You plundering societies wealth of public knowledge and everything besides and then selling it back to us at a premium. We are not as stupid as your little sock puppet Artificial Idiots.