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Ron Gilbert (GrumpyGamer)If I walk into a bar and order a drink I expect them to ask for ID to prove my age. If I walk into a McDonalds and buy a Big Mac I would not expect them to ask for ID to check my age and if they did I would not expect them to photocopy it and give it to Fred to keep in his poorly locked file cabinet.
Olivier Mehani@grumpygamer But what if Fred promises not to lose it?
nopasswdWhat if the Hamburglar finds out there is something more valuable than hamburgers?
Dmian 🇪🇺@shtrom @grumpygamer Not to lose it… again. Fred already lost a lot of photocopies. We can’t trust Fred. Unrelated: it’s not quite there yet, but people should keep an eye on stoat.chat
Jernej Simončič �@shtrom @grumpygamer He only lost it once so far, it'll never happen again for sure!
Craig P@grumpygamer Fred promises it's safe, he's only sold 70,000 of them so far, as of last year.
Arlo
Datenegassie@Craigp @grumpygamer 70,000 that we know of
RevPudDudley@grumpygamer A certain Orange Assclown said that you need ID at the grocery store
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HTPC NZ@grumpygamer if mcds sold alcoholic drinks, they can id. Same as our supermarkets.
isn't this exactly how online platforms will justify ids, if something is deemed "adults only" - not by a standard definition like what an alcoholic drink is but some random t&c of theirs, will not be accessible without proof of age?
So you can still get your burger, just that if you want some drink they deem alcoholic - not by actual alcohol content - will require you to sign your life away?.
SometimesLovely@grumpygamer
Instead of copying your ID, can't Fred, knowing you are you, and old enough to buy and consume that Big Mac, issue you with a unique, but otherwise random code, not linked to you, but verified in person, which you could also use in Wendy's or Taco Bell? They will know you are a suitable patron, so you can have BBQ Bacon Melt, Big Mac or Volcano Burrito as you prefer, and no-one needs to compromise your Id. (I know some people can"t get to a restaurant but the principle stands)
Instead of copying your ID, can't Fred, knowing you are you, and old enough to buy and consume that Big Mac, issue you with a unique, but otherwise random code, not linked to you, but verified in person, which you could also use in Wendy's or Taco Bell? They will know you are a suitable patron, so you can have BBQ Bacon Melt, Big Mac or Volcano Burrito as you prefer, and no-one needs to compromise your Id. (I know some people can"t get to a restaurant but the principle stands)
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫@SometimesLovely @grumpygamer
Or, which is a lot cheaper and has fewer moving parts and places where something could go wrong, they could just mind their own fucking business.
If you want to somehow go and do unspecified crimes with the burger, that's a separate problem that has not been quantified or even proven to exist, so does not require policy to be imposed.
David Cohen@grumpygamer @TheBreadmonkey I am confused. Who is Fred in the McDonalds hierarchy?
Greg Brooks@grumpygamer I think in this analogy Fred then follows you around taking notes, and the next Big Mac will cost based on an algorithm as much as you can stand.
Cogito ergo mecagoendios@grumpygamer Part of what entitles the bar to ID is that there is a very standard and "checks and balances" definition of alcoholic beverage published by the government and not, you know, whatever advertisers and visa and mastercard are currently feeling deserving of a threat to shut down the bar's complete access to the most basic payment services, based entirely on the vibes of whomever is currently writing the most complaint emails to them (usually a fundamentalist religious nutjob).
@grumpygamer Like, I WOULD oppose bar IDing too if the ID was asked of me for any item of the menu that some sunday church fanboy says is an instrument of the devil.
aspragg@elrohir @grumpygamer Are you sure that description doesn't also apply to the people who have historically pushed for the strictness of current alcohol laws? 🙂
@aspragg @grumpygamer I'm not focusing on the character of that kind of person but on the framework that gives them a "report" button, with no consequences for bad faith or oversentive complaining, and severe asymetry in workload between automatized take-downs and manual appeals. That's what makes the difference and not the personality of the pearl-clutchers themselves.
ScottMGS@elrohir @grumpygamer The temperance movement way back in the 18th century were exactly that. I don't know for sure that they're why we have the alcohol age restrictions we do here in 'Murica but I wouldn't be surprised.
acb@elrohir @cstross @grumpygamer Also, when you go to a bar, Google/Experian/Oracle don’t get a database row saying that Joe Bloggs, ID number hash ——, has a preference for mid-strength amber ales and salt & vinegar crisps or whatever, to correlate with their existing data about your phone usage, credit card purchases, financial status, political views and sexual proclivities
Ian Turton@elrohir @cstross @grumpygamer @acb at least some of the places I used to buy beer in Pennsylvania used to swipe my driver's licence to correlate it with my purchase
Eleanor Saitta@elrohir
@grumpygamer And even there, in the US many bars are basically scanning your ID and giving a copy to Fred these days.
@grumpygamer And even there, in the US many bars are basically scanning your ID and giving a copy to Fred these days.
jwz@elrohir @grumpygamer
Boy do I have some bad news for you about how liquor licensing actually works.
Most state and city boards impose truly egregious surveillance requirements on business owners who can't afford to fight back, because they make these demands when the business is at its most vulnerable (over budget, late, and trying to get open). They do this extrajudicially, through "permit conditions" rather than actual laws.
State and local cops look at Ring and say "hold my beer".
LightFIAR@grumpygamer But you'd DESERVE it for walking into a McShit's! Haha! (LOL....sorry, couldn't resist....)
Kevin Karhan 
@grumpygamer granted, "#AgeVerification" is trivial to circumvent and won't solve any if #discords big problems.
- Seriously, their problem is evidently the lack of moderation.
That alone makes #discord a no-go for anyone who knows that knowingly caching or downloading #CSAM is a felony in their juristiction.
In fact, if I were to run an #IRC I would've to likely setup a #bot to permaban people for posting links to discord, #zangi, #telegram and #WhatsApp or phone numbers just to avoid legal liability at this point.
- Same with #TikTok really, because #moderation is basically nonexistant and discord literally takes down nothing - ever!…
