MalteJan 26
IT World Cup

#ITWorldCup Greetings, programs πŸ’Ύ
I've got the honor to present you the match you all have been waiting for: The final of the 2025* Programming Languages World Cup:
#python vs. #rustlang

*yes, yes I know, but we started in 2025. Will start the next one earlier, so it doesn't get confusing again.

Python
50.1%
Rust
49.9%
Poll ended at .
Jan 26 at 9:00amWeb
Show threadchrysnJan 26
@itworldcup Can I vote for them to be tied? They're just a dream team.
Show threadllogiqJan 26
@chrysn @itworldcup looks like it will be a close race anyway.
Show threadchrysnJan 26

@itworldcup In complete defiance of best practices such as "setting up the rules before the game":

Can you take the number of favorites on this comment, and declare it a tie if the difference between the votes is less than my number of upvotes?

Show threadIT World CupJan 26
@chrysn Uhm, no.
Show threadchrysnJan 26
@itworldcup Sure. Just *had to* try :-)
Show threadSilmathoron ⁂Jan 27
@chrysn @itworldcup too bad, because Python wins by 3 votes and your post has 3 ups...
Show threadMarcJan 26
@chrysn @itworldcup I write both python and rust professionally, and the more time passes the more I enjoy rust, and the more I hate the traits of my personality python reveals...
Show thread𝑀𝒢𝓀𝑒𝔸𝕧𝕠π•ͺπŸ¦€Jan 26
@chrysn @itworldcup
As someone who spent a couple years trying to make Rust and Lua work, I beg to defer πŸ¦€πŸŒ™
Show threadchrysnJan 26
@Makeavoy Right: if the tooling is even half as decent as that for πŸ¦€πŸ is (and maybe it's even rivaling it), that should work quite nicely as well.
Show thread𝑀𝒢𝓀𝑒𝔸𝕧𝕠π•ͺπŸ¦€Jan 26
@chrysn mlua was the go-to but it's just a c wrapper for PUC Lua, Luau, or LuaJIT. Piccolo is new, it's by the original mlua dev. I also like to plug my own slop silt-lua 😁 but honestly just use Piccolo
Show threadClaudius LinkJan 27

@chrysn @Makeavoy
Sorry. Dummy question
What is the πŸ¦€ referring to?

Ok ok, found it

TIL: it is Ferris the Crab, the unofficial mascot of the Rust programming language.

Show threadsntxJan 27
@chrysn @itworldcup Looks like a tie to me.
Show threadpoleguy looking for lost toolsJan 27
@sntx @chrysn @itworldcup
That was really close. It's showing 915 to 912:
https://mastodon.social/api/v1/statuses/115960578429235953
Show threadfcalvaJan 26
@itworldcup Voting for the least evil here
Show threadXeniacJan 26
@fcalva @itworldcup Both are the least evil. πŸ˜‡
Show threadfcalvaJan 26
@xeniac @itworldcup
Python :
- Terrible syntax
- Whitespace significance
- Slow af
- Dependency management is a mess
- No orthogonality, overall very inconsistent
Rust :
- Cargo is NPM but worse because you need to compile everything
- Since it's 1st party everyone pulls in a gorillion cargo dependencies
- Compiling is slow af
- Only solves a very particular set of issues that are basically gone with modern C++ already
- At the cost of making everything non-trivial overcomplicated
Show threadReiner Jung πŸ‡¬πŸ‡± πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊJan 27
@fcalva @xeniac @itworldcup After working a while with Python, I find the syntax quite nice. Indentation is usually enforced in projects using other languages via style guide. So syntax based indentation is not that an issue. The tab spaces issue seldom occurs when using proper editors.
Show threaddoomy πŸ¦€Jan 27
@fcalva @xeniac @itworldcup lol
Show threadMichael MeinelJan 26
@itworldcup tough one
Show threadJani NikulaJan 26
@itworldcup Err what, one's ice hockey and the other's football.
Show threadNatanox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈJan 26
@jani @itworldcup And as we all *know* Ice Hockey is way better… 😘
Show threadJani NikulaJan 26
@Natanox @itworldcup I don't disagree, I've played myself for a long time, but I can understand the appeal in football. (And by football, I mean the kind that is played with feet and a ball.)
Show threadJani NikulaJan 26
@Natanox @itworldcup Anyway, apples and oranges is what I'm really getting at, but they don't really hold World Cups for fruit, do they?
Show threadIT World CupJan 26

@jani @Natanox Actually they did in German Mastodon, the strawberry won:

https://hachyderm.io/@Obstturnier@troet.cafe/115861018235456519

Hachyderm.io

Show threadJani NikulaJan 26
@itworldcup @Natanox πŸ˜‚
Show threadJani NikulaJan 26

@Natanox @itworldcup

On the topic of Programming Languages World Cup Final, I expect Python to score at least three goals while Rust is still mostly just feeling smug about themselves, and Python defending the rest of the match while Rust gains momentum. At the end, it's going to be a tight one.

Show threadRobinJan 27
@jani @Natanox @itworldcup turns out it happened the other way around. Rust was leading early on, until the Pythonians woke up and took the lead for a while, and now we've ended at an incredibly even split with just a couple votes more for Python
Show threadNatanox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈJan 26
@itworldcup Pyyyyythoooon…~
Show threadMadMike77Jan 26
@Natanox @itworldcup yeah... those eyes.
Just remember that sometimes Python might want to bite back. Still a cool and useful language tho πŸ˜‰
https://toot.cafe/@codepo8/115734810004786268
Chris Heilmann (@[email protected])

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Toot CafΓ©
Show threadembedding-shapesJan 26
@itworldcup no way, 50/50 🀣
Show thread"Musty Bits" McGeeJan 26
@embedding_shapes @itworldcup 49/51 to Rust rn
Show threadAlexJan 26
@itworldcup argh 52/48 the cursed ratio strikes again!
Show threadShiJan 26
@itworldcup
Common #Python bubble!!! Vote! 🐍
Show threadmusicmatze  Jan 26

@itworldcup #rust seems to win.

#rustlang fanbase lets gooooooo!

Show threadCalisti πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆπŸ¦‡ β€” πŸͺ©βœ¨ 39c3Jan 26
@musicmatze @itworldcup A thrilling head to head race!
Show threadAdrian TombuJan 27
@calisti @musicmatze @itworldcup Just did my part for the #rust #Rustlang team 🫑
Show threadRichard HollowayJan 26

@itworldcup

Really close in the #rust vs #python #itworldcup final.

Is this going to get the number of votes that the #php vs #python round did?

Show threadjbaggsJan 26

@itworldcup

import cryptography

Show threadLuci β˜―βš›Jan 26
@itworldcup As someone who mainly uses both of them, this feels impossible to vote on. It's like making me choose between spoon or chopsticks. πŸ˜… And the poll is dead even too.
Show threadmirabilosJan 27
@quantumsys @itworldcup well you could have let C win in the semi-finale
Show threadRobert Kist πŸ‡¦πŸ‡ΉπŸ‡ΈπŸ‡¬Jan 27
@quantumsys @itworldcup good thing it's not a choice. In China you hold the dumpling with the chopsticks over the spoon, so you don't make a mess when sucking the delicious soup out of your Xiaolongbao.
So, both are useful and complement each other πŸ˜€
Show threadFahri Reza πŸ‰Jan 26
@itworldcup ranked choice voting?
Show threadpoleguy looking for lost toolsJan 27
@itworldcup It was tied 50-50, then I voted and it moved to 51-49. This feels so much different than my votes in US presidential elections. :-)
Show threadmirabilosJan 27
@eyeinthesky ↑↑↑ vor 10 Uhr
Show threaderinaceusJan 27
@itworldcup We need more votes for #rust
Show threadprimeappleJan 27
@itworldcup My brain says rust, my heart says python...
Show threadjens perssonJan 27
@itworldcup
One minute left and two votes differ
Show threadNicolas Γ‰vrardJan 27
@itworldcup Is this the equivalent of a penalty shoot out?
Show threadLRJan 27
@itworldcup well shit.
Show threadSpeykiousJan 27
@itworldcup D:
Show threadmirabilosJan 27

@itworldcup

$ ap/pollresult https://hachyderm.io/@itworldcup/115960578331633434 -s { "Python": 915, "Rust": 912 } ------- Ξ£: 1827

Ha!

Show threadmirabilosJan 27
@itworldcup (not that I like Python all that much, or py3k for that matter, but.)
Show threadptyJan 27
@itworldcup best result ❀️
Show threadNatanox πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡΅πŸ‡ΈJan 27
@itworldcup Nice result.
Show threadShiJan 27
@itworldcup
Now I want a Death Match, where people are allowed to try to hack their results with bots, using their language. 😁
Show threadTimothy WolodzkoJan 27
@itworldcup "50-50? What, like 50% we live, 50% we die?"
Show threadeurosat7Jan 27

@itworldcup it is insignificant for me and I call it a tie.

And now back to business with php and its shiny package manager composer.

Show threadYGGverseJan 29
@itworldcup nooo python is now leading a bit!
Show threadIT World CupJan 29
@yggverse Uhm, how do I tell you? The tournament ended two days ago, Python won by three votes...