JaxJan 26
✧✦Catherine✦✧

i finally found this picture again. it has infected me memetically a long time ago

Never touch the terminals.

Please don't. Cause of failure.

This may be the cause.

It is not possible to use multiple computers at the same time.

It is not possible.

Jan 25 at 8:41amWeb
Show threadRyan Castellucci (they/them) Jan 25
@whitequark wat
Show threadn0tooseJan 25
@ryanc @whitequark "questions already answered by my tshirt" /lh
Show threadAndrewJan 26
@n0toose @ryanc @whitequark unironically want this on a t-shirt now
Show thread✧✦Catherine✦✧Jan 25
@ryanc It is not possible. Cause of failure
Show threadKai KlostermannJan 26
@whitequark @ryanc *It IS NOT possible!*
Show threadChris HansonJan 25
@whitequark sounds like someone hasn’t heard of IP-over-FireWire!
Show threadDavid Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Jan 25

@eschaton @whitequark

I have a couple of FW800 disk that support daisy chaining. One time, I tried connecting both ends to a computer. It was surprisingly boring. I could run IP over FireWire between the computers but only the first computer I plugged in saw the disks.

Show threadMattChippyteaJan 25
@eschaton @whitequark please don’t pee on the terminals
Show threadKeyJJan 26
@eschaton @whitequark Exactly. We used this a lot back then when FireWire's 400 Mbit/s was a substantial upgrade over typical consumer-grade Ethernet's 100 Mbit/s. Lovely times!
Show threadrk: it’s hyphen-minus actuallyJan 27

@eschaton @whitequark

I peed over a fire one time while camping.

Show threadHaelwenn /элвэн/ Jan 25
@whitequark Skill issue from IEEE1394 :D (Or that particular card)
Show threadmjdxpJan 25
@whitequark i am going to touch the terminals
Show threadWolf480plJan 25
@mjdxp
make sure to rub a sweater first
@whitequark
Show threadsegfoxJan 25
@mjdxp @whitequark please don't. cause of failure
Show threadJohan Wärlander 🦀Jan 26
@mjdxp
On multiple computers. At once.

@whitequark
Show threadKai KlostermannJan 26
@mjdxp @whitequark Please don't.
Show threadKFears& 🏳️‍⚧️Jan 25

@whitequark What the fuck is this

Is it... A pluggable PCIe extension card for networking? Why... Would it specify that using with multiple computers is not possible? Why? Who would want that? Why it PCIe x16? Why?

I have so many questions. Explanatory alt text would go so fucking hard here.

Show threadSebastian GrillJan 25

@KFears It's a PCI (PCIe wasn't a thing then) extension card for IEEE-1394, commonly know as Firewire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394

IEEE 1394 - Wikipedia

Show threadmage_of_dragonsJan 25
@sobek @KFears Could the "it's not possible to use multiple computers" refers to connecting two computers with this then?
Show threadSebastian GrillJan 25
@mage_of_dragons @KFears That's a reasonable assumption, sure.
Show threadgrapeshotJan 25
@mage_of_dragons @sobek @KFears
It is possible to connect two computers with Firewire and use it as either a network connection or a serial link. Windows XP (at least) supports running the kernel debugger over Firewire
Show threadDavid Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Jan 26

@grapeshot @mage_of_dragons @sobek @KFears

One of the nicest features of Apple's now-discontinued XServe line:

If the machine crashed, you could plug in an iPod and it would take a full memory dump and store it on the iPod then reboot the machine. You could then debug the failure offline.

Yes, Apple really did sell the iPod as a system administration tool. And, yes, lots of people were very happy that this let them expense theirs.

Show threadAndrocatJan 28

@mage_of_dragons

It's just a mistranslation. Original text points out that if you have a built in adapter, you can't use that at the same time as this add-in adapter.

@sobek @KFears

Show threadturmoniJan 25
@KFears @whitequark looks like a PCI (not e) FireWire card to me
Show threadHexJan 25
@KFears So, the original text says "the IEEE1394 connector pointed by the ※ marker cannot be used at the same time as the internal IEEE1394 device connector"
Show threadPOWER Zoey G5Jan 25

@KFears @whitequark this is a PCI (not PCIe, PCI is a parallel protocol) FireWire controller card from the ancient days. You use this to connect FireWire devices to your computer.

FireWire has TCP/IP networking capabilities so you can network computers together. It is part of the standard. However it may be advising you against networking with more than one computer at a time which I haven’t tried yet and could be a little spooky (but it should work…)

Show threadKit BashirJan 26
@KFears It’s a firewire (an early competitor of USB which mostly lost out to USB) card from the era when desktop pcs did not have built in usb or firewire. Unlike USB (at the time, long before usb type C), firewire cables had the same plug on each end. The document is trying to say that this card can only be used for PC-to-device connections not pc-to-pc.
Show threadMacBalanceJan 26

@KFears @whitequark Itnlooks like IEEE 1394 or “FireWire” among other names. Mostly used for external storage.

Many FireWire devices had 2 ports to allow daisy chaining: It essentially replaced external SCSI on Macs for a few years.

I’m assuming this implementation was not tested and didn’t handle a possible layout with computer A to Device to Computer B which I don’t think was intended by the standard. MacOS did support networking over FireWire at some point as I remember, but it may have been OS specific.

Show threadEragonJan 25
@whitequark I hear the person behind this screaming "why do you want to do it anyway? I know you will. Please don't. Please."
Show threaddasgrueneblattJan 25
@whitequark I like it
Show threadjohn spurlingJan 25
@whitequark 🔥
Show threadcynicalsecurity Jan 25
@whitequark "it is not possible to use multiple computers at the same time" seems to be the little angel on my shoulder while the devil on the other says "yes you can, moar computers!"
Show threadDenis Jan 25
@whitequark I am reading it with the voice of D.J.Trump and it totally works 😂
Show thread👽🐦🦇🐉💻Jan 25

@whitequark

if I can't use multiple computers at the same time, then explain to me what a server is.

checkmate normies.

Show threadJoshua BarrettoJan 25
@whitequark IT IS NOT POSSIBLE
Show threaddave cyklJan 25
@whitequark Nicht gefingerpoken!
Show threadAndrew ElwellJan 25
@whitequark That's superb! What's the original source / manufacturer of the card?
Show thread✧✦Catherine✦✧Jan 26
@Elwell https://mastodon.social/@hexadecimaaal/115956321182687950
Show threadTormodJan 25

@whitequark @gufo

Such a beautiful diagram. It must have been infuriating to see while unboxing 🙂

Show threadHexJan 25
@whitequark https://manual.buffalo.jp/buf-doc/storage/d28098a1.pdf
Show threadSalty SiryusJan 25
@whitequark It sounds like Tom Nook or his kids. "Never touch the terminals! (Please don't)"
Show threadQuinn ComendantJan 25
@whitequark * asterisk
Show threadBen RosengartJan 25
@whitequark @mhoye please do not the firewire 🚫
Show threadgossenJan 25
@whitequark
Very 'All your base are belong to us' vibe.
Show threadevil princessJan 26
@whitequark so licking them is okay then
Show threadkasperdJan 26
I have used multiple computers at the same time. It is possible.
Show threadKevin Karhan Jan 26
@whitequark very #cursed #MemeMaterial - indeed!
Show threadkhobochkaJan 26
@whitequark
Show threadZeiros LionJan 26
@whitequark Tag yourself. I'm Cause of failure.
Show thread✧✦Catherine✦✧Jan 26
@zeiroslion i'm "Please don't."
Show threadZeiros LionJan 26
@whitequark
"Please don't... what?"
"Just please don't."
Show threadwoe2youJan 26
@whitequark Big Scarfolk energy.
Show threadAri [APz] SovijärviJan 26
@whitequark
Show threadEvie Musselwhite  Jan 26
@whitequark Wasn't the "use multiple computers" one of the core advertising points of FireWire? Like you could use it for a limited Intranet LAN between 2 clients. 😅
Show threadStumpy The MuttJan 26
@whitequark
Show threadNorman WilsonJan 27
@whitequark We wanted to use multiple computers at the same time, but it was not allowed.
Show threadprom™️Jan 27
@whitequark “hear me out - illegal grounding is not what it sounds like!” 😄
Show threadEloshaJan 28
@whitequark Which picture?
Show threadMiakoda Jan 28
@whitequark This may be a shock, but I have in fact used multiple computers at the same time. It IS possible! Don't let them lie to you!
Show threadMiakoda Jan 28
@whitequark Me, introducing some elderly person to #Linux because all they do is email and facebook and Windows wants them to buy a new computer: