Kim Possible 
You may wonder why fascism runs in cycles of about three generations. It's because people lose the memory of what living under fascism was like, or the destruction it caused.
First they regret.
Then they forget.
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈@kimlockhartga this is one of my arguments for Human longevity, this cycle must be broken. Clearly books and films aren't enough....
Uncle Harvey@Lazarou @kimlockhartga
Anyone aware of the "OK Boomer " slurs of the younger generations towards the older, wiser, "been there, done that" folk, would know longevity is hardly the answer.
But as one subjected to it, all I will say about it to those younger is
FAFO
Anyone aware of the "OK Boomer " slurs of the younger generations towards the older, wiser, "been there, done that" folk, would know longevity is hardly the answer.
But as one subjected to it, all I will say about it to those younger is
FAFO
Véronique Vitry@Uncleharvey @Lazarou @kimlockhartga
if only the young were behing the facists. But that's not the case. There's also a fringe of the older generation that have some sort of nostalgia of a time they perceive as easier (for a lot of reasons, mostly very personal).
if only the young were behing the facists. But that's not the case. There's also a fringe of the older generation that have some sort of nostalgia of a time they perceive as easier (for a lot of reasons, mostly very personal).
Epic Null@Uncleharvey @Lazarou @kimlockhartga I usually see "Okay Boomer" in situations where the older individual is clearly being tone deaf.
When younger people are told to work harder at a job that doesn't reward hard work, or are told they could afford a house if they stop drinking coffee, it's understandable why they would not expect relevant wisdom from older people.
@Uncleharvey @Lazarou @kimlockhartga I don't think that's exactly a counter argument. More of an acknowledgement that we have a much deeper societal issue that has not been analyzed deeply enough or addressed adequately.
@Epic_Null @Lazarou @kimlockhartga
Try google. 60s, 70s events, wars, civil progress, and protects.
Every job for the average person was a dead-end. And now we see it all being unraveled because WE don't care?
Try google. 60s, 70s events, wars, civil progress, and protects.
Every job for the average person was a dead-end. And now we see it all being unraveled because WE don't care?
Misuse Case@kimlockhartga I sometimes see people on here post something along the lines of “we have to do this electoral reform/socialism/anarchism/whatever to prevent fascism forever” and really, I don’t think you can prevent fascism or something similar from emerging periodically no matter what political or economic system you have.
The notion that civilizations don’t learn from history and will fuck up in the same ways over and over again goes back to antiquity.
Nu Modular@MisuseCase @kimlockhartga You're further illustrating the cause for making Behavioral Science, Core Education.
The number one thing I would change is to reverse the decision that news outlets did not have to tell the truth. Are we too far gone? Possibly.
Olivia Vespera@numodular @MisuseCase @kimlockhartga
We've never lived outside of capitalism and patriarchy to know. Until we actually build an anti-racist society, we won't know. Don't give up when we haven't yet finished the work.
@MisuseCase Correct
MidgePhoto@kimlockhartga and because the survivors of a previous outbreak are no longer fit enough to go and kill the vectors.
dasgrueneblatt@kimlockhartga Yes and no. I'm from Austria, my grandparents experienced the Third Reich as teenagers/adults, and I'm second generation born after the war. Not everyone regrets. And you cannot forget something you don't know. There's no linear deterioration of memory over the years.
It's true that the destruction is what is most present in the collective consciousness. Hunger, bombs, death, that's what people tell their children and grandchildren. But I cannot see awareness of how that came to be, and even less of how it might be avoided in the future.
@dasgrueneblatt these are salient points.
Flip them all@dasgrueneblatt @kimlockhartga I noticed some western European towns have shrines in prominent central locations to those, including non-combatants, who were murdered by the Nazis. Many also have annual events to honor those who were lost.
They want to make sure nobody forgets.
@JYeo18
That is very good. At least "that was a very bad time then, there was nothing good about it, it should never happen again" should be remembered.
Remembrance in Austria is a multifaceted, complex and usually not very nice subject.
In my parents' age group, history classes in high school in the Sixties taught up until the beginning of World War one.
grrl_aexevery generation seems intent on their right to "make their own mistakes" --regardless of all the archived wisdom gathered over *other* generations that would save them from that. Personally, i feel this is an ego/pride/entitlement issue. Oh! And foolish. But yet...very, very human. Humanity really struggles to save itself--from itself. smh.
epilonious@kimlockhartga I was talking with a friend pointing out that Human Life is becoming more valuable at the same rate that data storage/access/digestion is becoming more inexpensive.
Hence, there is a very hard push by those who traditionally seek to exploit humans to death to get the last few pennies out of that system before if falls down... and terrified that everyone is essentially filming them doing it for cheap-as-free: Because "Fuck You Money" is the only thing they think can protect them.
MostlyTato@kimlockhartga
I get tired of saying it but...the only people who ever learn from history are historians, and no-one ever listens to them except other historians. You can broaden this out to scientists, specialists, any educated, observant demographic.
Humans are animals, no more and no less. We evolve as all things do, but only a small number on the normal curve actually learn.
I get tired of saying it but...the only people who ever learn from history are historians, and no-one ever listens to them except other historians. You can broaden this out to scientists, specialists, any educated, observant demographic.
Humans are animals, no more and no less. We evolve as all things do, but only a small number on the normal curve actually learn.
Lady Bruh🖖🏼🏳️🌈@kimlockhartga It should be part of every curriculum and laws for protecting the truth
@kimlockhartga Just realized this sounds supremely naive because laws can be changed and they’ve been doing that shit for a while
Howard Chu @ Symas@kimlockhartga there's a relevant term here: saeculum https://mastodon.social/@hyc/115874168243894754
Isa@kimlockhartga there is a major flaw to your theory.. living under the rule of fascism isn't bad for the people who profit from its rule. Which is usually a critical mass of people.
People are not in support of fascism because they forgot how bad it was but because they have an interest in it.
People are not in support of fascism because they forgot how bad it was but because they have an interest in it.
Dmitry Borodaenko@kimlockhartga Matches my personal experience. My grandmother volunteered to fight Nazis when she was 16, walked all the way to Moscow and back all the way to Berlin, and left a graffiti on the Reichstag's wall that said "I came here to kill War." My connection to WW2 is second hand and very personal. For my kids, it remained third hand until Russia invaded Ukraine. Only then it became second hand and personal for them, too.
The Lack Thereof 
This is what George Orwell got wrong. He presumed 2 was sufficient.
BlueDot🇺🇦That's a plausible explanation. Another plausible explanation, and a simpler one, is that we failed to prosecute Hitler's accomplices, not just German but American.
The Nuremburg trials were stopped early, and some convicted Nazi war criminals were released thanks to Joe McCarthy and other American right wingers. And Hitler's allies in the U.S., some of them armed seditionists, some members of Congress, were not convicted.
https://www.rachelmaddow.com/rachel-maddow-presents-ultra/
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@kimlockhartga Let's prosecute every single fascist leader and every single collaborator this time. Let's turn over to the ICC the ones who have immunity or pardons, or who are past the statute of limitations.
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Eric Lawton
Allegro con Fuoco@kimlockhartga let me break it down in short: capitalism
Anne Thomas@kimlockhartga my Mum just died at the age of 101. She lived through WW2. Not many of them left now.