none gender with left politicsThe reviews of @NanoRaptor's 66 power outlet monstrosity are in: the LLMs don't know it's fake!
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Bornach@ibk @vikxin @NanoRaptor
Was there ever any doubt?
There it is right at the top of the reviewer's table summarising the features. Note the surge protection to prevent fire. Ideal for the home or office with multiple devices
Carl Muckenhoupt@ibk @vikxin @NanoRaptor Makes me think of Italo Calvino's "The Nonexistent Knight". There, a virtual human being was created out of nothing because the paperwork required him to exist. Today, we instead have product reviews
WesDym@CarlMuckenhoupt @ibk @vikxin @NanoRaptor If you like that, you'll probably like Eric Frank Russell's 1955 short story "Allamagoosa".
https://archive.org/details/Astounding_v55n03_1955-05_UnkSc-cape1736/page/n47/mode/2up
Cadbury Moose@wesdym @CarlMuckenhoupt @ibk @vikxin @NanoRaptor
Dave Langford points out a possible inspiration, and yes: the Russell short is superb.
I have a couple of the "Real World" equivalent: power strips for equipment racks, available in IEC or BS1363 socket versions. They're built to a professional standard though, switched, fused, and earthed. (Very useful for lots of low-powered devices.) Obviously they don't have any USB outlets.
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四@vikxin @NanoRaptor It’s like a reverse Turing test.
Makes me wonder how one could poison the well with some positive messaging.
Irenes (many)@vikxin @NanoRaptor yeahhhhhhhh a couple experiences along these lines lately have gotten us feeling that every single web search is useless
which... that's probably an over-reaction, and fear is not helpful, but...
Erik Ableson@ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor Time to change search engines. Google is so far down the enshittification curve it’s hardly worth using.
@erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor well.... it's the web itself to blame, or rather the sites on it. we have the same experience with ddg, so as much as we'd love to rag on our abusive alma mater (google), we can't really pin this one on them.
@erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor it may well be that we are entering an era in which web search is obsolete because humanity prefers not to have knowledge after all
KateYagi@ireneista
@erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor
I remain optimistic that manual indexing and wikis will be able to handle the utility vaccum the loss of web search has created.
@erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor
I remain optimistic that manual indexing and wikis will be able to handle the utility vaccum the loss of web search has created.
@ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor Not the existence of slop, but in how they are dealing with it.
The web in its current form would not exist without the pressures from the advertising ecosystem that demands conformity to Google’s algorithm. If Google wasn’t rewarding these sites with links and clicks they would stop, so for the moment I will continue to rag on them 😉
Thibaultmol 🌈@ireneista @erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor right but I think what Erik was getting at is that Kagi (where the screenshot is of) doesn't show those seo slop sites as easily
Jeffrey Yasskin@thibaultmol @ireneista @erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor And they have a "report slop" button to crowdsource detection, with the crowd's quality increased by the fact that the whole crowd is paying them. https://blog.kagi.com/slopstop
(I work at Google, and a too-strong market position is as bad for the workers as a too-weak one.)
Introducing SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search | Kagi Blog
------------------------------------------------------------------- Your collective defense against AI-generated spam and content farms ------------------------------------------------------------------- We made it our mission to prevent the web from becoming useless and a harmful space.
C S@ireneista @erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor DDG yes, also Qwant. Ecosia on the other hand did fairly well at minimising SEO slop.
Chris-Evelyn@erik @ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor On a lark, I have switched to Wikipedia as my default search engine. I‘m still very happy with that decision.
computer maus@chris_evelyn @erik @ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor honestly for like generic stuff this is really good and for specific stuff i already know which sites are non-slop/trustworthy
Baral'heia Stormdancer ΘΔ🐲@erik @ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor Honestly, agreed. Kagi isn't immune to the slop either but it's still leaps and bounds better - especially when you use their ranking tools to hide the obvious slop domains that do seep through. I know not everyone can afford to pay for a search engine but if you can, it's worth it. There are ways to get a 3-month free trial too if you go looking for it.
@baralheia @erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor it's not about whether we personally can afford it, to us, it's more that we're not sure we want to participate in building a society where basic research is only possible by paying money. we'd rather spend our time trying to find ways to do things that would work for people who can't.
we may yet change our mind on that, but that's where we're at right now.
@ireneista @erik @vikxin @NanoRaptor that's totally understandable tbh. I miss the era when free search engines were actually good. I mean, that's what got Google so much attention originally! I know some people swear by SearXNG, a privacy-preserving metasearch engine. Since it aggregates results from multiple search engines, it can also fall victim to slop, but imo it's still far better than vanilla Google. I find I prefer how Kagi works, but SearXNG is a perfectly cromulent free option. A list of public SearXNG instances can be found at https://searx.space
Erica Briony.@ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor for certain things in my work I've already stopped searching as it's a waste of time. Many things are once more functionally unknowable.
Daniel Gibson@ireneista @vikxin @NanoRaptor
it's certainly getting more laborious to pick the peanuts out of the turds
it's certainly getting more laborious to pick the peanuts out of the turds
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@vikxin One of the reviews I found was by "Merlin Miller" whose profile says "Merlin Miller is the creator of The Amazing Bees, an Amazon affiliate review blog built on honesty, curiosity, and hands-on experience."
Honesty. It says it right there. Also, all the other cookie cutter review sites with the exact same content, but different author bios.
So the Superdana must be real.
The Lack Thereof 
@xinit @vikxin
The Merlin Miller review is my favorite.
It starts with a paragraph including this thesis statement
"In this article, I will delve into the features and benefits of this 66 outlet wonder and why it should be a staple in every household."
And then proceeds to give like a top-five product rating for other power strips complete with real Amazon listings and affiliate links... And 4 of the 5 are just listings for nearly identical (real) Superdanny 22 outlet strips.
Dr. David McBride (dwm)@vikxin Now have a perverse urge to ask @NanoRaptor to make an attractive potatoshop image of me to try to seed a delightfully indirect SEO strategy.
Soon: "dwm may look extremely powerful and attractive, but you won't believe how lovely and cuddly this guy is," etc.
@vikxin @NanoRaptor ... I should not give Dana ideas.
Will@vikxin uhhh… everything @NanoRaptor posts is real
Deborah PickettLB 👆🏻 This is why it’s essential that we all maintain the bit when responding to NanoRaptor’s posts: never let the scrapers learn how to recognize satire.
Kevin Karhan 
@vikxin @NanoRaptor please let me know of any of those "#AI" #ContentFarms and #AIslop pages so I can add them to the public blocklist I maintain...
- These #SlopPages are a huge and growing problem, even if we don't care about "#AdFarming" and other forms of "#ClickFarming"…
ChewieThese are the ones I''ve found so far:
gadgetlayer.com
pauseny.com
moathothman.com
teuschermadison.com
procupro.com
sherwoodknowledge.com
theamazingbees.com
sleepytimeclub.com
kinhabits.com
donsbogamblack.com
oakwrench.com
intersectionsfestival.com
sourcifychina.com
camp2.rectangle.zone
top5best.com
drusillafeps14.blogspot.com <- a review dated 2022!
There were some other sites, where the page was removed, but was still in search engines' indexes. Not sure if they were hacked, or they really are an AI slop site, but I didn't include them.
Also, I thought WindowsCentral was legit, but apparently not :(
https://x.com/WindowsCentral/status/1645887398386053121?lang=en
It's kinda sad how @NanoRaptor's wholesome "#Shitposts" have become a "#LitmusTest" for basic #journalism…
- And basically a prime example to find #AdFarming…
https://beach.city/@vikxin/115790210510364299
https://mammut.gogreenit.net/@chewie/115794029056188153
none gender with left politics (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image The reviews of @[email protected]'s 66 power outlet monstrosity are in: the LLMs don't know it's fake!
Forbearance@chewie @kkarhan @vikxin @NanoRaptor Windows Central isn't claiming to have *reviewed* it, I think they're just garden variety fooled.
@Forbearance
Oh sure, but it doesn't sound like they're taking the piss either.
What else are they not bothering to do research on?
Nafeon the Bear@vikxin that is a very good way to filter out Websites with fake content. @NanoRaptor
Dźwiedziu@vikxin
Now I need a 666 outlet strip.
Kraftwerk-Das Model Collapse@vikxin picture for the curious (sadly couldn't find the original Nanoraptor post)
Frummidge :lynx: (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image boost this to scare electricians or electrical engineers
Frummidge 
mk30@vikxin @NanoRaptor from one of the review sites: "Moreover, safety is a top priority when it comes to using electronic devices. The surge protection feature of Superdana 66 ensures that my devices are protected from sudden power surges or spikes, preventing any potential damage. This gives me peace of mind knowing that my expensive gadgets are safe and secure."
Knightmare@vikxin @NanoRaptor LLMs don't know anything.
@vikxin @NanoRaptor There's also some tiktok "videos": https://www.tiktok.com/discover/superdana-66-ac-outlet-power-strip
Ted Mielczarek@chewie @vikxin @NanoRaptor they seem to all be making jokes about it. Then there's a bunch of videos about the "SuperDanny" 22 port product (which I guess is what she's riffing on", which does seem to actually exist in the real world.
Tim ChaseThe damage that @NanoRaptor personally inflicts on modern LLMs may be humanity's saving grace from the AI overlords 😆
Karsten@vikxin more of this to assemble a blacklist for the local web search instance (eg requested searxng feature https://github.com/searxng/searxng/issues/2351)
I like!
@NanoRaptor @skry
I like!
@NanoRaptor @skry
Greg Newton
notanowl@vikxin @NanoRaptor the model did exactly what the spammer asked / hallucinate content for clicks / its a tool, its doesnt 'know' things / you don't hold up a unicorn to a mirror and accuse it of lying / the search algo is the real garbage
@brotherpsyche do you strive to be a pedantic asshole or does it just come naturally? It's a single post highlighting a problem, not a deep insightful analysis on how we got here.