J M Berntson
Ron Gilbert (100% AI free)When Twitter collapsed, it was great to see the flood of friends, game devs and other come to Mastodon. Over the next 9 months a lot of them vanished to Threads, BlueSky or just left. I want to thank all people who are still on Mastodon and make it a wonderful place. You know who you are.
root42
TTimo@root42 @grumpygamer yes, thanks for sticking with this 😄
Laura Manach 
Jan Lehnardt 
beem@grumpygamer mastodon has a humble game Dev following which is what I want to get into myself. It's great if there is a community out there for you. A lot of the bigger platforms have been extremely politicised which is great if you care about that sort of thing. But that's exactly why I like the fediverse more than any platform right now, I have control of what content I choose to consume and I don't get fed what the platform thinks I'll like
Gawain(DarkGriffin)@grumpygamer What can I say, except, you're welcome...
gloriouscowi've tried to like BlueSky but there's just so much superficial garbage and practically 0 engagement on anything of technical substance.
i suppose there's a reason people on there block 56,000 different accounts
Oma_Trisha_FI had 386 accounts blocked on BSky when I got fed up with the BS and came over here due to open ableism and body shaming (I'm disabled and have NEVER been small). Do I miss it? Hell no. I'm not obsessed with my numbers. I just want a place where I can occasionally post, leave some comments, and maybe make a few friends. It's nice to be free of the algorithms.
Hank G ☑️@grumpygamer I do wish more of the "normies" stayed on Mastodon/the fediverse. I'm happy to see most of the ones I follow that left did land on Bluesky rather than go back to Twitter. I do wonder if we can more successfully capture a next wave of defectors from Twitter and/or if Bluesky investors start pulling the typical VC shenanigans some from there too.
Pierre Equoy
Scott Jenson@pieq I've been fairly vocal on this subject. We had a huge influx of new users 2 years ago and while there are many factors at play, one of the larger problems was that the community chased many of these new users away (through tone policing) I had a long thread about this last month. The Mastodon team is working very hard to improve the tech, but we also need to talk about our community being more welcoming
SamNo, we don't. Maybe we need to be a bit more forgiving; these are people emerging from their hellsites for the first time in years -- maybe even over a decade. But we don't have to lower the standards of civil discourse in order to keep a couple numbers a bit higher. If someone would rather return to the engagement-farm treadmill just because they didn't want to (re)learn how to talk to people meaningfully and respectfully, then the community is healthier without them.
re: @scottjenson@social.coop
cc: @pieq@floss.social @hankg@friendica.myportal.social
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cc: @pieq@floss.social @hankg@friendica.myportal.social
If we're playing that game, how can you pretend to have any credibility if you don't see "0/0" and think "maybe xe is on an instance that doesn't make that info public", and particularly when you don't bother clicking into the next tab over and seeing that most of what I post are replies¹? (Though to give you one out, I do admit I'm not sure how completely-federated my small instance is; even in "Replies" there might be posts that never got to social.coop since I don't think I have any followers from over there.)
Why on earth do you care so much about number-go-up, anyway? Fedi's easily self-sustaining now; we don't need to retain every refugee from every wave in order to keep discussions lively. We've grown our own culture(s) here, where there's no algorithm that needs churning masses in order to boost engagement, and where honest, real interaction matters more than raw numbers (except to people like you, apparently). You want Fedi to grow? It will -- slowly, sustainably, by attracting people who do see our community for what it is and come here of their own volition, or who recognize the more intimate pace and choose to stay when the rest of their wave moves to the next superficially-shiny platform.
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¹ The fact that Mastodon doesn't consider replies worthy of inclusion alongside top posts is actively (if minorly) harmful to the community as well, and one of the reasons I don't use Mastodon.
Why on earth do you care so much about number-go-up, anyway? Fedi's easily self-sustaining now; we don't need to retain every refugee from every wave in order to keep discussions lively. We've grown our own culture(s) here, where there's no algorithm that needs churning masses in order to boost engagement, and where honest, real interaction matters more than raw numbers (except to people like you, apparently). You want Fedi to grow? It will -- slowly, sustainably, by attracting people who do see our community for what it is and come here of their own volition, or who recognize the more intimate pace and choose to stay when the rest of their wave moves to the next superficially-shiny platform.
re: @scottjenson@social.coop
¹ The fact that Mastodon doesn't consider replies worthy of inclusion alongside top posts is actively (if minorly) harmful to the community as well, and one of the reasons I don't use Mastodon.
@sam I am transparent, you know who I am. My history gives you context on what I say and why. You are completely opaque, hiding. Worse, you look EXACTLY like a troll account on the hellsite.
The fediverse allows you to find your community. But chasing people way because they don't conform to your specific ideals is what is killing this community.
I'm talking about inclusion, letting everyone in, especially you. You are talking about exclusion and chasing people away.
Wow, your position is worse than I thought. My history is all visible, you just might have to go to my own instance to see it because I had the temerity to use the decentralized tech to decentralize entirely. My subscription numbers aren't visible because they promote exactly the same Big Name Personality effect that drags the other sites down, and because, frankly, they aren't any of your business no matter what the content farms trained you to believe; you talk to someone on the street, you don't ask to see their diploma before allowing them to speak. Trying to twist those into me maliciously hiding things is the troll behaviour; not quite sealioning, but a close cousin to it.
Fedi isn't dying, it's vibrant. I'd feel sorry that you can't see that... if it weren't for the fact that I don't want people like you dragging it down into just another insincere hellsite. "Everyone is welcome, and free to say what they want, however they want" are the exact stances that swing the gate wide to Nazis. Blocked, and think about what you're really trying to do here.
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Fedi isn't dying, it's vibrant. I'd feel sorry that you can't see that... if it weren't for the fact that I don't want people like you dragging it down into just another insincere hellsite. "Everyone is welcome, and free to say what they want, however they want" are the exact stances that swing the gate wide to Nazis. Blocked, and think about what you're really trying to do here.
re: @scottjenson@social.coop
Ertain@grumpygamer Great to have you still here, Ron.
Jimmothy Baggins@grumpygamer when I ask people why they left it’s almost always the same reason. It’s this reliance on algorithms as an illusion of outreach. I’ve had more success on here in terms of social engagement than I’ve had on any platform. I’m no social influencer and I am not trying to be.
When I see people complain about the lack of engagement all I have to really ask is are you even trying ?
Vivekanandan KS 
@64bithero
I feel silence here a lot. But I agree with you. Those people might be hungry for followers count , reach etc. Honestly, this is a better place to reach audience, coz of many instances & platforms from a single place. It really have that powerful potential.
So typical algorithm driven platforms made them to think that higher impressions & followers, reach etc means actual growth. They are simply misguided by the habits from those bad algorithm driven platforms.
#mastodom #fediverse
I feel silence here a lot. But I agree with you. Those people might be hungry for followers count , reach etc. Honestly, this is a better place to reach audience, coz of many instances & platforms from a single place. It really have that powerful potential.
So typical algorithm driven platforms made them to think that higher impressions & followers, reach etc means actual growth. They are simply misguided by the habits from those bad algorithm driven platforms.
#mastodom #fediverse
GabeMoralesVR@grumpygamer took to mastodon and immediately embedded myself. I love this service.
sigi714
Salem's Lot@grumpygamer Thanks for enriching the experience!
@grumpygamer Thanks for enriching the experience!
@grumpygamer Thanks for being here.
alethenorio@grumpygamer So much this. ❤️
Leaving twitter was hard, and I was mostly a reader and didn't post very much, I can't even imagine how hard it was for those more active. And having seen most people I followed be active here helped.
I can't imagine why one would want to go back after going through that process.
Keldrim 
@grumpygamer When I see how Bluesky goes these days and how many people returned to the dystopia, thanks for staying with us :)
Miakoda 
@grumpygamer It's weird how they have this need for centralized corpo crap
ReallyCanadianFlyPeople go where they see their "friends" are. It's sad to see that so many would rather go to the corporate controlled ones, many of which are guilty of considerable damage to humanity.
Madman’s Nest@grumpygamer I used to have a Mastodon account back in the day, then i deleted it, now i came back because Meta randomly purged my Instagram account and rendered my Threads account inaccessible. And they destroyed years of my photo memories. Here i at least have an option to migrate.
Ji Fu (Domestic Terrorist)More of them would have stayed if they hadn't clocked to the worst part of the 'verse.
Raul Portales@grumpygamer unfortunately the Twitter collapse was greatly exaggerated.
Apparently it still has significant traffic. I don't know first hand, because I never returned
DFX4509B (Joshua Mason)@grumpygamer I'm on both Mastodon and ATproto, although more specifically Blacksky as I moved to one of their two general-purpose PDSes before bsky.social changed their ToS.
Ryan O'Neill@grumpygamer you are that person to us mere mortals.
Ged Maheux@grumpygamer Agreed. I lament how many left for Bluesky especially since it’s shaping up to be Twitter part deux.
WTL@gedeonm @grumpygamer I suspect, in time, they’ll realize their error and meander back here.
Andres@gedeonm @grumpygamer Honestly I don't think mastodon was ready in 2022. It feels so much more polished now, so I'm hoping we're better positioned for the pending bsky implosion.
Oblomov@Andres4NY @gedeonm @grumpygamer people moving in now will still have many of the same issues because they are intrinsic to federation (gotta choose the server, nontrivial to find other users until their presence propagates), and Big Names (which are what really moves the crowds) will still dislike how this place is unwelcoming to people with inflated egos, so I have little faith in that a migration now will go significantly different —and I'm actually ok with that.
@oblomov @gedeonm @grumpygamer See, I have to disagree. They changed the signup process to default to mastodon.social to make it easier for the newbs, they're working on the ability to find other users through starter packs (though they hilariously failed to create a usable poll), and I don't think hostility to Big Names is what it used to be. Even the lack of alt text often results in someone doing it for them rather than a lecturing.
@oblomov @gedeonm @grumpygamer I also think that having servers sync threads when you click on them makes mastodon a much less lonely place, too. I click on a toot and like it, and within a few seconds it goes from 2 visible likes to 25, and I can see all the responses.. so rather than looking like a ghost town, I can see a vibrant community of people conversing, and follow people whose responses I like.
@oblomov @gedeonm @grumpygamer Now if they could just hire some proper UI/UX people.. and also improve moderation..
@Andres4NY @gedeonm @grumpygamer but those are conflicting requirements. Dumping every newcomer on mastodon.social makes moderation massively more difficult (there), and redirects resources that would be better spent at improving the software towards management of the “flagship” instance, which is *already* too big for their own good *and* for the good of the Fediverse at large, for example.
Similarly, while new features like backfilling of comment threads are “universally good”,
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@Andres4NY @gedeonm @grumpygamer
other like starter packs or feed gamification (“trending posts”), which may be good to cater to Big Names and clout chasers, are also destructive for the kind of spread-out, organic growth and interaction building which is one of the main factors contributing to making this network less toxic (to many) than the commercial ones.
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Zelda 🎀@grumpygamer Here here! I shuttered my threads and bluesky accounts to just use this tbh. For marketing purposes I might eventually need them as a streamer...but as a person, I don't want to be on an "algorithm" site ever again.
FediThing 
@grumpygamer Thank YOU for being on here, very much appreciated 👏
John E. Bartley, III (D) K7AAY@grumpygamer I'd use Mastodon a lot more if it was as easy to find relevant content as it is in BlueSky.
Radgryd@grumpygamer I love being on Fedi and I love that you're on Fedi.
Ricciotto
Martin Ringot@grumpygamer I'm glad I could follow your devlog here and I had the honor to have the game I've been working on announced the same day as yours!
Great stuff mastodon. Very peaceful and intimate.
Great stuff mastodon. Very peaceful and intimate.
LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺@grumpygamer majority of people are masochist, they flee the corporate overeach, then ... go back to a corporate network ...
Trish Roberts@grumpygamer @troberts Having briefly joined Threads, Bluesky, I hurriedly retreated. Mastodon for me.
Manuel Siebeneicher@grumpygamer Thank you for being on Mastodon! I can’t understand why the other complaining about Twitter/X but using Threads, Bluesky, etc. It‘s all the same. Mastodon and the Fediverse makes the difference
coffeetomorrow.com@msiebeneicher @grumpygamer This place is pretty neat.
W6KME@grumpygamer People who left Mastodon for Threads are probably the same people who don't put their shopping carts in the cart return.
Santiago 
@grumpygamer I'm glad you are here so i can follow you now. Thank you
G.I. Robot 
This is the future. They don't realize it, but open source, federated, off-grid even, is the future. Meshtastic. Etc. We're going to be rebelling against these corporations from the inside and out. The boomers are retired. The GenXers are burnt out, it's our time to make changes.
Jonathan Mergy@grumpygamer destroyed my Mastodon instance on Friday playing an upgrade and couldn't fix until today. I missed it when it was gone. It's back and it made me realize we have something significant in #mastodon #mastoadmin
Ivey Janette McClelland@grumpygamer I'm still here. Though I'm very active on Bluesky,but left both Instagram and Threads.
padraig@grumpygamer A few weeks ago Jason Schreier was talking on Tripple Click how odd it is to be in a time where you release a new game and noone has heard of it.
Not us folks on Mastodon. Thanks for being here!
Not us folks on Mastodon. Thanks for being here!
MrAptronym@grumpygamer I know this isn't the best place to promote a product or build a following, so I get it... But I *like* it here. I like the model (even if I am still on Mastodon.social) and it just feels different from so much of social media.