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Brandon Rohrer Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Thank you! One more reason for me to be a dedicated Vivaldi user

Jeri Dansky Dec 1

@jon That''s why I have Vivaldi. Thank you!

@iveyline Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Great move AI lacks intelligence so it has very limited usefulness.

smells of bikes Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi I just switched over two days ago, so far so good!

Vivadial Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi
Ok,

You buy the 'presto browser engine opera '

And then make it batter .

Science lovers will always welcome you sir

Hana Aianhanma Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Make sure to set noai.duckduckgo.com as the default search engine.

And don't forget to disable all the fake intelligence's bovine droppings you may be treated to by the os.

Catherine Schmidt Dec 1

@aianhanma @jon @Vivaldi elder here How do disable the os droppings?

aardvark Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi my browser isn’t. I guess it’s not “most every other browser” (even though it’s on over a billion devices)

donkey Dec 1

@aardvark @jon @Vivaldi Yup. Safari is - afaik - not infested.

Chad McCullough Dec 1

@jon 💯

@Vivaldi

Benjamin Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi

Swapped from Firefox to Vivaldi a month or two ago after finding some AI training nonsense while chasing poor performance. Have never looked back

El Duvelle Dec 2

@cordlessmodem @jon @Vivaldi
Same!

ZeStig

Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi nice try. Zen and other privacy-respecting forks have options to disable AI once and for all. I believe Zen disabled AI OOTB. At least they're open-source.

Rev. Charles Browning Dec 1

@zstg @jon @Vivaldi Also Chromium. Loved Vivaldi until they couldn’t let me run full UBlock Origin. Zen all the way.

Aria <3

Dec 1

@FrChazzz @zstg @jon @Vivaldi vivaldi is:

- proprietary to make competition harder (that's their actual reason, it's out of sheer corporate selfishness)
- chromium
- clunky to use (personally)
- apparently unfriendly to uBO?

No thanks to all of that.
Librewolf has much more appeal.

november 🀄 in my mahjong era Dec 1

@ariarhythmic @FrChazzz @zstg @jon @Vivaldi Plus Vivaldi's "send tab to device" thing just... doesn't work half the time, and can take up to an hour when it DOES decide to work. Whereas if I choose "send page to device" on Zen Browser, it immediately pops up on Iceraven on my phone, and vice versa.

@FrChazzz @zstg @jon @Vivaldi Weird,

No issues here.

P Segal Dec 1

@jon I've downloaded the browser three times, because I defintely want one that doesn't use AI, but I still can't get in. What am I doing wrong?

arestelle Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi This is the way.

ᛋᛁᚵᛁᛋᛘᚢᚾᛑ ᚾᛁᚾᛃᛅ Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi If you go open source, I might consider using Vivaldi.

@jon
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. Glad I made the right decision by installing your browser a few years ago.

@jon I tried, but then got a Temu sponsored browser experience.

Nope.
@Vivaldi

nickapos Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi have been using Vivaldi for a few years now. No issues at all.

Ramon Fincken 🇺🇦Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi interesting. Does it support bitwarden addon?

Woodstock Dec 1

@ramonfincken @jon @Vivaldi It's using the chromium browser engine, so any extension on the chrome web store is available to you.

cholling Dec 1

@ramonfincken @jon @Vivaldi It does. I believe it supports any Chrome extensions.

Sam at BLAG Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi I'm a convert, with my only big suggestion for improvement being the ability to access the native RSS reader on the mobile app.

Parigot-Manchot φ Dec 1

@jon @DavidBHimself @Vivaldi No container in desktop.
No extensions on mobile.
Above that, works better than Firefox mobile for me.

Tushar Chauhan Dec 3

@parigotmanchot @jon @DavidBHimself @Vivaldi Containers is make or break for me

Scrutinizer Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi I Just wish Vivaldi had a more aggressive ad blocking that's on par with Brave. Nowadays, it's almost a requirement with all the intrusive junk. As it stands, Vivaldi's blocking is not as efficient.

@jon @Vivaldi I would prefer using open source software. Then I would limit risk of being sold to "somewhat mysterious chinese company" sometime in the future altogether with fellow users at roughly $2 per head. Only then I would worry about some AI features that I can turn off but would prefer them not there at all.

@ati1 @jon @Vivaldi On that note: Vivaldi is owned by its employees. That's not a setup where one dude (always a dude) sees a quick win and sells his employees and customers off to some dark entity.

@JorisMeys @jon @Vivaldi Well every company is owned by somebody. Opera was also owned by somebody and that somebody decided one day to sell it to some other - body from communist China. That (among many others) is why I prefer FOSS over companies-made proprietary software that all too often proves to be just peoples farm waiting for a wealthy - enough buyers from whatever country and background.

@ati1 @jon @Vivaldi
Opera was a publicly traded company. The moment Vivaldi goes public trading, I'm out.

Regarding FOSS: DHH. end of argument. Have a nice day.

@JorisMeys @jon @Vivaldi Same to you. Yep not having to analyse legal complexities of companies standing behind every bit of software i may use / not having to track if/how it changes over time would be another FOSS advantage for me personally. And what does DHH stand for by the way?

@ati1

David Heinemeier Hansson, developer and copyright holder of Ruby on Rails, and not the most uncontroversial figure in the open source world.

The latest drama in the Ruby world was an example that sprung to mind to illustrate how the world is not as black and white as FOSS good company bad. There's hostile takeovers in the FOSS world, and companies building good, honest stuff.

https://archive.is/SEzoV

@JorisMeys Ok. That's what I thought. I didn't say FOSS software is always utopian perfect just because it is FOSS. Just said I consider it much better for myself than mojority of for-profit closed source software that tells me it does great things only but source code cannot be seen for corporate / profit / whatever reasons and so I just have to give them a "trust me bro" ... sometimes to people that sold their former projects for multi million $ to communist china I personally consider dirty $

@ati1 I get that. But you should also remember that @jon left Opera in 2011, 5 years before the sale to China due to "disagreements with management". He had stepped down alread as a CEO the year prior. He didn't "sell his former project to the communists". He left long before because the way it was moving did no longer align with his values.

That's why -even though he's still an entrepeneur- I am willing to trust Jon's intentions. Future will tell if I was right to do so.

@JorisMeys @jon Thanks. Didn't know that. I wasn't looking at specific person(s) but product as a whole. I stopped using it long before it was sold, and only got to know about that recently. But it struck me that should I just continue using it and not pay attention to corporate life of a company behind ... I might well end up using (partially) closed - source chinese browser (that I have 0 trust in / in my private oppinion most probably open for CCP spying) How many people ended up like that?

daniel lublin Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi this is probably laudable, or something like that. But no, I won't run a closed source »anything», when there are alternatives (and likely not even if there aren't)

hendrik Dec 1

Yes. Not sure either if trading in the benefits of Free Software for a no-AI experience is worth it for me. I’m happy with LibreWolf as of now.

tyil Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi I'd love to try out #Vivaldi, has it been made available as free software yet? Not just parts of it, all of it, of course.

Michael Eggers 🇺🇦🇪🇺Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Yes. Tired of ai pop ups I never wanted and didn’t ask for. Time to give Vivadi a try!

Fardels Bear Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi

"If AI contributes to that goal without stealing intellectual property, compromising privacy or the open web, we will use it."

I'm no techie but this looks like a major loophole. Why not turn your back completely on the use of 'AI'. The very acronym is a propaganda term suggesting that LLMs can develop intelligence. Every time someone uses it, an angel has its wings ripped off.

remoteControl Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi many thanks and good luck to your children and grand children.

Joachim Ziebs Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Already using it on my Linux machine.

XennyG Dec 1

@jon @Vivaldi Vivaldi is great even without having taken this stance, but I so appreciate that they are taking time and effort to “keep browsing human.” Thanks Vivaldi! Keep being awesome.

Käpten O. Dec 1

I am now using Vivaldi since about a year (switched from Firefox) and honestly? It is the superior browser.

If only you could get rid of the underlying Chrome engine at some point in the future...

CC: @[email protected]

AJ (Rising Soul)Dec 1

@jon
@Vivaldi
I don't even understand what AI in a browser is for? Why does it have to be in all the things? I don't get it lol. It can be in its own little tab on the rare occasions I play with it but I do not trust it being part of everything.