Jon S. von TetzchnerDec 1

It seems like most every other browser is all in on AI. We have chosen a different path at @Vivaldi

If you would prefer AI not to be integrated into your browser, but still like a feature rich browser, I welcome you to try Vivaldi.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/keep-exploring/

#vivaldi #AI #LLM #browser #firefox #Mozilla #Linux #windows #Macos

Vivaldi takes a stand: keep browsing human | Vivaldi Browser

Browsing should push you to explore, chase ideas, and make your own decisions. It should light up your brain. Vivaldi is taking a stand. We choose humans over hype, and we will not turn the joy of…

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Show threadAtiDec 1
@jon @Vivaldi I would prefer using open source software. Then I would limit risk of being sold to "somewhat mysterious chinese company" sometime in the future altogether with fellow users at roughly $2 per head. Only then I would worry about some AI features that I can turn off but would prefer them not there at all.
Show threadJoris Meys
@ati1 @jon @Vivaldi On that note: Vivaldi is owned by its employees. That's not a setup where one dude (always a dude) sees a quick win and sells his employees and customers off to some dark entity.
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Show threadAtiDec 1
@JorisMeys @jon @Vivaldi Well every company is owned by somebody. Opera was also owned by somebody and that somebody decided one day to sell it to some other - body from communist China. That (among many others) is why I prefer FOSS over companies-made proprietary software that all too often proves to be just peoples farm waiting for a wealthy - enough buyers from whatever country and background.
Show threadJoris MeysDec 1

@ati1 @jon @Vivaldi
Opera was a publicly traded company. The moment Vivaldi goes public trading, I'm out.

Regarding FOSS: DHH. end of argument. Have a nice day.

Show threadAtiDec 1
@JorisMeys @jon @Vivaldi Same to you. Yep not having to analyse legal complexities of companies standing behind every bit of software i may use / not having to track if/how it changes over time would be another FOSS advantage for me personally. And what does DHH stand for by the way?
Show threadJoris MeysDec 1

@ati1

David Heinemeier Hansson, developer and copyright holder of Ruby on Rails, and not the most uncontroversial figure in the open source world.

The latest drama in the Ruby world was an example that sprung to mind to illustrate how the world is not as black and white as FOSS good company bad. There's hostile takeovers in the FOSS world, and companies building good, honest stuff.

https://archive.is/SEzoV

Show threadAtiDec 1
@JorisMeys Ok. That's what I thought. I didn't say FOSS software is always utopian perfect just because it is FOSS. Just said I consider it much better for myself than mojority of for-profit closed source software that tells me it does great things only but source code cannot be seen for corporate / profit / whatever reasons and so I just have to give them a "trust me bro" ... sometimes to people that sold their former projects for multi million $ to communist china I personally consider dirty $
Show threadJoris MeysDec 1

@ati1 I get that. But you should also remember that @jon left Opera in 2011, 5 years before the sale to China due to "disagreements with management". He had stepped down alread as a CEO the year prior. He didn't "sell his former project to the communists". He left long before because the way it was moving did no longer align with his values.

That's why -even though he's still an entrepeneur- I am willing to trust Jon's intentions. Future will tell if I was right to do so.

Show threadAtiDec 1
@JorisMeys @jon Thanks. Didn't know that. I wasn't looking at specific person(s) but product as a whole. I stopped using it long before it was sold, and only got to know about that recently. But it struck me that should I just continue using it and not pay attention to corporate life of a company behind ... I might well end up using (partially) closed - source chinese browser (that I have 0 trust in / in my private oppinion most probably open for CCP spying) How many people ended up like that?