MarieNov 27
KDE

#Plasma is going all #Wayland

After nearly three decades of KDE desktop environments running on #X11, the future KDE Plasma 6.8 release (due early 2027) will be Wayland-exclusive.

Read the FAQ below to find out what this means for you and the future of KDE:

https://blogs.kde.org/2025/11/26/going-all-in-on-a-wayland-future/

Nov 26 at 5:46pmWeb
Show threadGeneric PersonNov 26
@kde This is great news to hear! 🎉
Show threadNube Nov 26
@kde Wayland, the thing that still has a lot of issues and poor compatibility? oh ​​
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26

@nube I understand where you're coming from, but there are two important things to note about this.

First, XWayland is NOT going anywhere. Almost all X11 apps will still work, they'll just run via XWayland instead of refusing to run.

Second, I do agree that Wayland protocol discussions have become "circular". That's is annoying and it should 100% be reworked to allow for more use cases.

Show threadVictoria🏳️‍⚧️Nov 27
@nube @kde and what are those issues and poor compatibility, if I may hear?
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26
@kde I am a bit nervous given upstream Wayland protocol discussions have... Gone circular again, but if they finally add global positioning support to KWin before Plasma 6.8 releases, I think 98% of users will be fine.
Show threadlick here for more infoNov 26
@kde uh-oh. I still switch my desktop to X11 when going away because I could never get Nomachine to work with kwin_wayland. Well, maybe krfb is/will finally stable enough to use, will have to check.
Show threadThibaultmol 🌈Nov 26
@virtulis @kde krfb works great for me. For what it's worth
Show threadHerz++Nov 27

@virtulis @kde I'm pretty sure NoMachine was one of the first of these types of solutions to actually work on Wayland, and it generally worked fine at least as far as three years ago (I used it myself, but probably not all features). Maybe you encountered a specific bug or something related to your setup?

Having said that, I recommend Rustdesk for this.

Show threadlick here for more infoNov 27

@herzenschein probably, although it's been quite persistent. Might be an Arch-specific issue too (the libnxegl it puts in LD_PRELOAD segfaults randomly, which it probably isn't supposed to do!)

Rustdesk didn't work for me either when i tried, but that was a while ago. Thanks for reminding!

Show thread四Nov 26

@kde That’s good news, X11 is pretty much unmaintained after all.

Hoping to see a push to get rid of the remaining bugs/holes left from the transition so it all gone by 2027. I’ve been stable on Wayland for years now, but I don’t venture into some of the problem areas.

Good luck!

Show threadMiakoda Nov 26
@kde Fun. My laptop doesn't work right under Wayland. Thanks for fuckin it up
Show threadKarcsesz  Nov 26
@hellomiakoda Please share some details instead of being passive aggressive. There's still a lot of time to fix your issues.
Show threadfrdbr 🎥🌳Nov 26
@hellomiakoda @kde Ive noticed that many issues people have are related to old systems or just people unaware that things work under Wayland now. What are your issues?
Show threadMiakoda Nov 26
@frd @kde Remote desktop doesn't work, performance issues, and crashes.
Show threadfrdbr 🎥🌳Nov 26
@hellomiakoda @kde Hopefully the remote desktop issue will be fixed till then... as for "performance issues" and "crashes" please be more specific. And do report them so they'll get fixed till them as well. People are working on making things better.
Show threadMiakoda Nov 26
@frd @kde That's great and all. What I'm pissed about is getting pushed to something that doesn't do what it's predecessor does. Could've left both till wayland worked just as well, but nope, all the distros are forcing a change over. If I wanted to be forced on to still broken shit, I'd run Windows.
Show threadfrdbr 🎥🌳Nov 26
@hellomiakoda @kde Both were left until it wasn't sustainable anymore. Now focus is on Wayland. Things will get better. As mentioned in the post, one can use an LTS version like Alma Linux till 2032. Anyways this will only happen in 2027. So much time ahead, Things change, heck we will also change till then. All is good. No need to get pissed.
Show threadVictoria🏳️‍⚧️Nov 27

@hellomiakoda @frd @kde have you realised that these things bugs are specific to you, and rare? I'm sorry volunteers don't want to keep maintaining broken-by-design x11.

Instead of being entitled, you could also just ask for help normally. Seriously, not everyone have the same issues as you...

Show threadSubjekt_91Nov 29
@hellomiakoda @frd @kde the remote Desktop part is wa annoyes me the most. Ive spend a whole week end Debugging that till i found that out, still makes me angry.
Show threadclerianNov 26
@kde Does this mean that we will have full colour management support with wayland by then? There are some efforts and kde is really far ahead with this, but limited by wayland itself which is really bad at the moment... actually unusable...
Show threadjust a blåhajNov 26
@clerian @kde what do you mean "full colour management"?
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26
@a_blahaj @clerian Didn't X11 not have good color management or HDR support to begin with?
Show threadjust a blåhajNov 26
@cameron_bosch @clerian Wayland ALSO has HDR support.
Show threadclerianNov 26
@cameron_bosch @a_blahaj X11 does support colour management - e.g. different input/output and working profiles for different applications + multi screen setups. This is really difficult to do in wayland - compare https://discuss.pixls.us/t/wayland-color-management/10804 for more details. This is not about HDR.
Wayland color management

Just saw the following on the wayland developers mailinglist HDR support in Wayland/Weston and that reminded me that I always wanted to make a topic here to discuss color management on wayland, especially since the proposal from the wayland devs itself[1] is lacking in a few aspects, namely It is missing profiling/calibrating support which in contrast to what the wayland dev thinks is not an orthogonal problem (IMHO) Not all applications actually use ICC (anything that uses OCIO for example) s...

discuss.pixls.us
Show threadNeal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) Nov 26
@clerian @kde It's already done and fully implemented in KDE Plasma. Applications have just started to use it.
Show threadVítor de MatosNov 26
Will we still be able to design / customize / distribute sddm login screens, plasma splash screens and boot splash screens? @kde
Show threadCinderNov 26
@vitordematos @kde I mean, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to? They work fine on wayland.

SDDM might be replaced by then though.
Show threadfrdbr 🎥🌳Nov 26
@vitordematos @kde Yeah, Plasma Login should be out by then.
Show threadNeal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) Nov 26
@vitordematos @kde Why wouldn't you? That's not a display system-specific thing. Nothing changed there.
Show threadAndy PiperNov 26
@kde oh no this is all we'll hear about from @felimwhiteley for the next 12 months
Show threadFélim WhiteleyNov 29
@andypiper @kde
Show threadKari PerttulaNov 26
@kde
I do, every now and then, run CmapTools (a conseptmap esitor that I like). It is writen Java, And my install of it does not run on Wayland.
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Yup, smal hickup for me. I do not know if it has fresher version, that runs on Wayland.
Show threadjust a blåhajNov 26
@jorshmin @kde try XWayland
Show threadSandro  Nov 26
@jorshmin @kde XWayland?
Show threadVictoria🏳️‍⚧️Nov 27
@sandro @jorshmin @kde xwayland is a compatibility tool to run x11 apps on wayland.
Show threadKari PerttulaNov 29
@kde Done some reading fro several sources, and did find that xwayland is installed as default in kubuntu 25.19. yet CmapTools does not start on wayland instance, even if xwayland should be activated by kubuntu 25.10 update.
kari@Coruscant005:~$ inxi -F | grep -e Desktop -e Display
Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.4.5 Distro: Kubuntu 25.10 (Questing Quokka)
Type: Desktop Mobo: Gigabyte model: B450 AORUS M
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.18 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.6 driver: X:
Show threadKellic Tiger Nov 26
@kde thank God.
Show threadem♡⁠Nov 26
@kde what did you to to konqi 😭
Show threadjust a blåhajNov 26
@[email protected] @kde the x11 hidpi scaling got him
Show threada sauna tent would fix meNov 26
@kde K Desktop Environment desktop environments
Show threaduwu1baNov 26
@kde I know Nvidia is bad and greedy, and they shouldn't impact our software ecosystem, and those who buy their GPUs and use Linux know what they're signing for, and etc etc


But recommending nouveau is disingenuous.
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26

@a1ba @kde The problem is that Nvidia is the only one who can fix the Maxwell and Pascal reclocking issues.

Unless somebody wants to play Russian Roulette with the propietary drivers.

Show threaduwu1baNov 26
@cameron_bosch @kde so you literally didn't read my comment.

It also isn't "just" the reclocking that stops nouveau but overall state of it. Last time I tried it, it couldn't even produce the correct image.

Well, I don't want to blame nouveau developers for that and all it's troubles is on Nvidia but I also wouldn't recommend nouveau to the average Joe because Joe doesn't care.
Show threadchjara 六七 Nov 26
@a1ba @kde they only recommend nouveau for old cards? where it does generally work
Show threaduwu1baNov 26
@chjara @kde Pascal can be considered old now
Show threadwafflesNov 26
@kde please for the love of god make a Wayland full size keyboard I don't want to use x11 anymore
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26
@wafflesies @kde I noticed maliit was deprecated on Arch Linux. Could they be close in terms of their new on screen keyboard?
Show threadwafflesNov 26
@cameron_bosch @kde idk I'm on artix and I can build plasma-keyboard but it won't launch. It's currently in development
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26

@wafflesies @kde That's strange then.

Why would they deprecate Maliit before Plasma keyboard was ready?

Show threadwafflesNov 26
@cameron_bosch @kde idk that sounds like an arch thing
Show threadFellNov 27
@wafflesies @kde There is a new on screen keyboard in the making if that's what you mean.
Show threadwafflesNov 27
@fell @kde yes! Im excited for iti just can't get it to launch right now lol
Show threadHoolyNov 27
@wafflesies @kde The article links to the `Known significant issues` page, which mentions that KDE is working on a new virtual keyboard:
https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-keyboard/
Show threadwafflesNov 27
@hooly @kde yeah ik I've been talking to them about it
Show thread🌸 lily 🏳️‍⚧️   θΔ ⋐ & ∞Nov 26
@kde not reading the text in this post and pretending it means you're sunsetting wayland and switching to plan 9 rio
Show threadMartineskiNov 26
Isn't wayland limited in terms of accessibility features?
Show threadCameron BoschNov 26

@Martineski @kde Yes, but so was X11. Most of it was barely working under X11 as well.

Orca, for example, barely works even in 2025 on X11.

Show threadMartineskiNov 26
Oh, that sucks. I hope things improve with time, O7.
Show threadRaven667Nov 27
@Martineski @cameron_bosch redhat hired someone to work fulltime on modernizing the accessibility framework, which is more about the toolkit than the way pixels are rendered, so its getting back into shape after a long time on life support
Show threadNeal Gompa (ニール・ゴンパ) Nov 26
@Martineski @kde On KDE Plasma, pretty much all the existing accessibility features are available on Plasma Wayland. If there's an issue with accessibility for you, please file a bug report about it!