Ian Towner 
Lady Laura 
7heoMaybe then public transportation would be on time...
Amy Worrall@cmconseils only problem there is that employers would think they have much more of a say over where you live.
YourShadowDaniNah, they hired your ass knowing you were an hour away they should pay for that 2 hour trip every day.
Passwordsarehard4@YourShadowDani @amyworrall @cmconseils yeah, that’s why they won’t hire them to begin with. Residency isn’t a protected class, they would fire them if they currently work there as well.
@passwordsarehard4 @amyworrall @cmconseils
The laws can be changed, but it's got to start with actually pushing to change them and not being defeatist.
@YourShadowDani @amyworrall @cmconseils I just don’t think it’s a good idea. If the employee knew what the pay was and where the job was located I don’t see why it would change if they moved? If a person moves out in the country for cheaper rent they also get a pay raise, that’s crazy talk.
@passwordsarehard4 @amyworrall @cmconseils I think housing should also just be free, so it's not crazy talk to me it sounds sensible. In Capitalist hellscapes they could fire the employee if they are costing them too much in transport fees due to right to work laws so I don't see your issue. Moving has a risk of losing jobs now so it's not like anything would change.
@YourShadowDani @amyworrall @cmconseils I don’t follow the last bit, how does moving risk you losing a job? Unless you are a cop or something that has residency requirements I can’t think of why that would work.
Niko
schrotthaufen@cmconseils @Viss Agreed. Commute without pay, especially if it’s because rent within walking distance to the workplace is too expensive, is just unofficial subsidies for one’s employer
Vegetable Gremlin ⍼👻@cmconseils it is if you bike
chandlerkyle93@cmconseils Dammit...That 17 minutes is a waste of my life..
@chandlerkyle93 my commute used to be 2 hours every day
@cmconseils 😱 holy shit dude
Lance, Enjoying Copious Pollen@cmconseils I work from home, and until recently I spent a couple days a week working onsite at two locations. My boss encouraged me to clock in before I left home, since I didn't have a daily commute to a specific location.
Janne Moren@cmconseils
It is, at least partly, in Japan. Workplace insurance covers your commute and you get a monthly payment to cover the cost.
But. Because the employer has a legal liability (that's why the insurance covers you), they also have a say in your commute. They may require you to take specific public transport, and it's not uncommon to outright forbid motorcycle commuting due to the accident risk.
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@jannem
They cover the cost of the commute, but do they cover your time? Here in the Netherlands, you tend to get payment per km, but the time it takes is still unpaid.
@cmconseils
They cover the cost of the commute, but do they cover your time? Here in the Netherlands, you tend to get payment per km, but the time it takes is still unpaid.
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@xinit @cmconseils
It's not completely work hours, and also not *not* work hours; it's sort of in between. The result of litigation, not a preplanned legal structure.
With that said, I doubt a lot of people would appreciate it counting fully as work. You'd not be allowed to do grocery shopping, or pick up your children on the way if it were. Depending, you may not be allowed to use a non-company vehicle at all.
@jannem Having commute time paid at, say 1/3 time or accruing Time In Lieu credit would be an improvement. I know a couple people that do commute by train a fair distance here in the Netherlands, and often they're reading emails or editing documents for work anyhow.
Rabbi Nathan FarbSure, but do we really need to subsidize the suburbs more than we already do?
sidereal@cmconseils question I have always wondered: why can I write off my car rental, dining out, and hotel for a business trip, but not not car payment, groceries, and rent/mortgage? Isn’t “working” just a “business trip” to the city I live in?
@cmconseils I think it would be fair to have some compensation to account for commuting, but an individual also has some choice in where they work and live. Such a system would incentivize people to move farther away from their employer and lead to more greenhouse gas emissions.
Looking for explanations…This should certainly be the case for essential workers. A system that makes it difficult to find work close to home or too expensive to live close to work needs to compensate essential workers.
樹大招風（8964习近平大便局亲自指挥楚晨下徐州）@cmconseils Yeah, but why leave home at all, if u're just going someplace to use PC.
redti@cmconseils that you realise it when it take 2hrs to get there and then back home, working hard for nothing... I had that exact same thought back then but I pushed it.. There al the unpaid labor you have to do at home to maintain your health for their benefices. Back then it was women job slavery but today it's everyone is burden and that's a good thing... (Trade wife lol.) That's why most people eat crap.
Aisling "the bastard of earth" Fawn@cmconseils i posted about this once and immediately got work-from-homers trying to make it about how they could get more money
David Abigt 
🌎 🎄@cmconseils If you really need to commute, you should factor that time into the rate you expect to get paid. Driving to an office to sit at a computer or phone all day is a bad business practice.
groxx@cmconseils it's time that's required as part of the job. it absolutely should be paid.
caravantravellers 🌈That would encourage long commute distances, which is bad for the environment.
Live where you work – work where you live.
Better for you, your physical and mental health, for your family (time), your finances (even if you can deduct travel expenses from your tax).
@caravantraveller
I agree that live where you work is a great idea. I don't think anyone chooses a 2 hour commute just because they can. Especially when you can't live anywhere near your workplace because it costs too much for the salary you earn.
@cmconseils
I agree that live where you work is a great idea. I don't think anyone chooses a 2 hour commute just because they can. Especially when you can't live anywhere near your workplace because it costs too much for the salary you earn.
@cmconseils
�@cmconseils sometimes i dream about work. i add roughly that time when clocking in when working from home.
catraxx 
@cmconseils 
I have been saying this for so long. It is absolutely incredible that we just accept this. Some people spend 6 hours per day in commute, how is this even legal?!
I have been saying this for so long. It is absolutely incredible that we just accept this. Some people spend 6 hours per day in commute, how is this even legal?!
Miss Warcraft@cmconseils You chose where you live and you chose your job. Your employer does not chose where you live. This is an absolutely ridiculous idea.
Sluether 
@MissWarcraft @cmconseils if you lose your job, you’re not always going to be in a situation where you can easily move
@SuperSluether @cmconseils Why would a business hire someone that lives hours away if they have to pay them commute time? I have had to commute, no train or bus and slid off the road in the winter. The boss always said, if you travel to work it is your choice. If you can't make it let me know and I will hire someone else. It was a good job, so some did move to keep the job. But the boss was correct. It is a choice.
Johns@cmconseils Although the time doesn't count for salary, if something happens in your way in or out from work, here in Spain is considered a work accident.
Not perfect but it's something
stefan (stefbun)@cmconseils but think of the corps!? how willthey survive!?
tbh I am not sure how serious I should take this argument because its so ripe for abuse from both parties.
tbh I am not sure how serious I should take this argument because its so ripe for abuse from both parties.
Tim Brückner@cmconseils I always thought Lisa was clever...
@cmconseils I'm a bit surprised by the replies, apparently from HR, sticking up for the corporate bottom line.
Assimilateborg@cmconseils but only when they do not drive themselves. Driving is a choice. Public transport exists.
Ulrik Nyman ⬡@cmconseils Why should an employer pay for commute time?
In Denmark we have tax rebates for commutes over a certain distance. This is to encourage people to commute such that the job market remains flexible.
Dan Neuman 🇨🇦@cmconseils Curmudgeon, here. I'd rather not incentivize longer commutes and higher greenhouse gas emissions. I think there needs to be a compromise. Businesses like to congregate, but that puts nearby housing in high demand. Remote work is the obvious solution, but there are downsides to that, too.
Dormouse@cmconseils
Rhethorical:
Do you have any idea what this would do with timezones you don't know yet about?
Rhethorical:
Do you have any idea what this would do with timezones you don't know yet about?
@cmconseils one of the many reasons remote work is so great. I don’t understand why so many businesses mandate Return-To-Office just so people can sit at a desk and use email all day
Lukas@cmconseils
never thought about it but now its obvious
never thought about it but now its obvious
calcifer 
@cmconseils I’d much rather we stopped pricing most jobs based on time spent, and instead to value of outcome. With the exception of the few types of job where the main requirement is being present (example: security guard), hourly-based wages are exploitative
🌺 Hannah 🌺@cmconseils
I do this with some of my clients when going to an office. If any complain I absolutely will add in the return time, too.
I do this with some of my clients when going to an office. If any complain I absolutely will add in the return time, too.