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Watching companies like Microsoft and AWS continue to fuck up at massive scale and orgs are just like "what can you do?" and keep shoveling money to them is very exhausting.
schrotthaufen@cR0w @Viss Every time something like this happens, and upper management asks how I plan to deal with things like this in the future, I reply “By telling you what I’ve told you with every could / SaaS outage we’ve experienced so far: Nothing. Unless you give us time, and money to host everything we need ourselves. This would include migrating away from Atlassian, and Microsoft.” To which they respond without fail: “We’ll just accept the risk then.”
Viss@schrotthaufen @cR0w "self hosting is the answer. it will cost less, but it will take more time. thats the tradeoff. either we host it, and shoulder all the work for the fabric and storage and power, and have total control - or .. we dont. pick one."
@schrotthaufen @cR0w the more one-sentence, plain english you can get, the more it will land. you have to be authoritative and matter-of-fact about it.
"look. you can trust them, or you can trust your staff. if you trust them, youre screwed when they fuck up. if you trust your staff, you have someone whos job is on the line. the person who job is on the line will care more about their work than some random cloud engineer"
Zimmie@Viss @schrotthaufen @cR0w I’m a fan of pitching it as quality control. Outsourcing something (including outsourcing your hardware and hypervisors) is saying quality just isn’t that big a deal to you.
There’s a reason Apple started designing their own processors, and Facebook started designing their own network equipment. There’s a reason Netflix runs their CDN nodes on their own hardware. They care about the quality, so they bring it in-house.
viq@bob_zim @Viss @schrotthaufen @cR0w quality is not the only thing. When you have say 5+ digits of just network switches, instead of paying the salaries of designers, manufacturers, marketers and CEOs of the company making them, and having features not quite aligned with what you need, how you do things... It starts making sense to just build them yourself, at fraction of the cost, even though they may not have all the features.
@viq @Viss @schrotthaufen @cR0w Quality isn’t the only thing, but bringing something in-house generally takes a lot of money up front. The project only starts paying for itself after a few years. And of course, you only see those savings if the project is successful. I’ve found quality control the key point in the past with savings in second place.