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Chuck Oct 12

@kbsez

If folks are looking for the actual source data, you can find a reference to it here: https://www.usacarry.com/court-declares-gun-ban-unconstitutionalthen-demands-names-of-pro-2a-group-members/ where the court ordered the list of names in order to see who was covered by the 5th circuits ruling that not selling handguns to people 18-20 was unconstitutional.

Court Declares Gun Ban Unconstitutional—Then Demands Names of Pro-2A Group Members

LAFAYETTE, LA — A federal judge has issued a final judgment in the closely watched case Reese v. ATF, acknowledging that the federal prohibition

USA Carry

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/115365644170721723

Danny Boling ☮️Oct 12

Thanks!

@ChuckMcManis @kbsez so not #SRA...

thanks...

Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Anyone who believes there isn't a #GunRegistry in the #USA has never filed a #Form4473! - Also I'd love to know *which "gun rights grou"* they talk about... I'm pretty shure it ain't the #NRA, but rahter the #SRA... - Can anyone from #SocialistRA confirm or deny? #2A #USpol #Bondi #PamBondi #Trump #fascism #PoliticalProsecution

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Official Kakistocracy Jester 🪓Oct 12

@kbsez wouldn’t a list of U.S. gun owners basically be a list of all U.S. citizens?

@OGjester @kbsez more like "every legal U.S. resident aged 18 and above minus convicted felons plus Trump"...

WesDym Oct 13

@OGjester Exact numbers aren't available, but around a third of US adults own a firearm, and as many as half of all US households have one. They tend to cluster by family and locality. That is, there are families with many, and families with none (at least half), and localities where they are significantly more or less common.

Flaming Cheeto Oct 12

@kbsez feels more like inviting your neighbor to your party to prevent them making a noise compliant.

Wulfy—Speaker to the machines Oct 12

@kbsez

I don't know who's names are on that list...
...but I'm 100% none of the "I haz goons to shtaaawp tyrants" folk are 😁😁😁

#2A #2ndammendment #guns

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@n_dimension @kbsez pretty shure it ain't the #NRA ...

Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])

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@n_dimension wut

@kbsez @codinghorror
The DOJ filed a brief on Friday stating that they don't want said list.

https://www.news2a.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Reese-judgment-motion.pdf

Do you have any more recent news?

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/115365644170721723

@FritzAdalis @kbsez @codinghorror yeah, as if the U.S. government doesn't want to spy on people...

#USpol #fascism

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DP0 Oct 12

@kbsez Funny, we do not have a 2nd amendment in the EU. But in Art 8 of the EU Charter, data protection has been codified as a fundamental human right.

I think it comes down to priorities ...

WesDym Oct 13

@DP0 Americans maintain a childish mythology about the role of firearms, especially in our founding, which is not only objectively and provably false, but isn't even logical, completely ignorant of how power really works in the world -- in this or any other country. In truth, it's just a very elaborately rationalized, emotionally charged scheme to allow insecure or stunted people to play with extremely dangerous toys, because it makes them feel better. Never mind how many lives it costs.

DP0 Oct 14

@wesdym Yes, indeed. It is also noteworthy that the 2nd amendment was adopted in 1791, a time when firearms still were bulky, frontloading, and unprecise "portable cannons" ... cartridge weapons were not even invented at that time - let alone modern automatic rifles.

WesDym Oct 14

@DP0 I've often made that point. At that time, the most formidable man-portable firearm in the world was the Brown Bess, which in the hands of a well-practiced fusilier might achieve a maximum ROF of 4. For comparison, a stock (unmodified) Bushmaster AR-15 can achieve TWENTY TIMES that. Modified, more.

No one in 1791 believed that any individual had a right to a private platoon. More, before 2008, States had UNLIMITED weapons control, AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED.

Andrew J Spaulding Oct 12

@kbsez. Well said 👏. It's funny how the Republikkklans always crybaby about the Democrats coming for their guns and now look who's coming for them.

Ultra Verified 🇺🇦 🇬🇱Oct 12

@kbsez

Leopards ate their guns

@kbsez Anyone who believes there isn't a #GunRegistry in the #USA has never filed a #Form4473!

It's not the #SRA but still...

source via @ChuckMcManis

#SocialistRA #2A #Trump #USpol #fascism #Bondi #PamBondi

Court Declares Gun Ban Unconstitutional—Then Demands Names of Pro-2A Group Members

LAFAYETTE, LA — A federal judge has issued a final judgment in the closely watched case Reese v. ATF, acknowledging that the federal prohibition

USA Carry

Token Sane Person Oct 13

@kkarhan @kbsez @ChuckMcManis I believe that gun registry is kept entirely on paper with limited staff numbers specifically so it can't be weaponised for a general confiscation of guns.

Which means the next step is likely to be computerising that registry.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/national-tracing-center

The U.S. Gun Tracing Center

The hallways were lined with so many boxes of paper records it violated the building code.

Atlas Obscura

@tokensane @kbsez @ChuckMcManis I sincerely doubt that they don't automate the processing of #Form4473 filings the same way the #NICS is automated.

Obviously most states allow unrecorded cash transactions at gun shows, tho criminals have already existing pipelines with stolen and black-market production guns...

Chuck Oct 13

@kkarhan

Multi-parter for the #Form4473 folks. (this is 1/n)

My Dad held a Class 3 Federal Firearms License (FFL) for 40 years. He was a staple at Gun shows and often provided the FFL of record for gun sales transactions. The serial number and transaction details are recorded in a database at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF).

When a gun is used in a crime, the serial number gets traced, which leads to the #Form4473 which leads to the last person who bought it at an FFL mediated transaction. Law enforcement will interview the owner to see if they are the perpetrator and if not, how their gun got involved in the crime. My Dad has a number of discussions with the FBI and police over the years as they tried to track down a gun owner. (2/n)

Nothing *updates* the #Form4473 so if you move, they don't generally know where you live *now*. And if you sell your gun in a person to person transaction you aren't required (and actually cannot because you aren't an FFL) to file a #Form4473. That 'breaks the chain' if you will of where the gun is now. If it was stolen, you MUST have a police report reporting it stolen for them to stop bothering you. (3/n)

As such, the database of #Form4473 transactions is incomplete, and not necessarily useful. Of course 'Ghost' guns don't even appear on it, and there is no requirement to "register" guns you currently own with the authorities.

So, for all practical purposes, there isn't much of a list. (4/fin)

@ChuckMcManis @tokensane @kbsez Shure it's nit as comprehensive as say Germany's NWR-2 which assigns unique nunbers to every gun and every owner, but then again a lot of gun ownership is evidence-able through circumstances.

I.e. someone paying with credit card for 500 9,2mm projectiles and 500 9x18mm casings most likely owns a Makarov, 6P9, Stechkin or PA-62.
After all, ammo collectors most likely just buy a single round or a 20-pack.

And it's not as if they can't access said details.

Same with addresses and the like: Even if people merely cash in cheques and only do cash widthdrawals, they most likely appear at a certain bank at a certain time.
Not to mention driving licenses acting as State-IDs and mandates as per "Real-ID Act" in terms of verifyability (cuz how else will the state departnment know it's actually Xavier Samplr who 's applying for a passport?)…

Things like that, you know…

@ChuckMcManis @tokensane @kbsez Yes, and some states only allow transactions via dealers.

That being said, it'll take the ATF literal minutes to track down the original buyer just by combing through data, either buying.from data brokers or using a warrant to het those.

Granted, having to report lost or stolen guns (and vehicles) is basically customary in any juristiction unless one wants to be made liable for any involvement.