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nixCraft 🐧🤣 there is no way you can run linux or doom on sim card with just 64KB ram but other than that the rest of info is seems correct as sim card does have their own OS, processor, RAM, etc, and you can definitely install and run applets on them. lol.
Marcus M. 滅拉 マルクス🐧@nixCraft As always, the question is if it will run Doom.
Street | Train 🇷🇴 
@nixCraft Knowing the community, I'm sure someone will find a way to do it that is "technically" correct. It'll probably be cheating in some annoying way but it will be just close enough to the definition of "running doom on a sim card" that it will pass.
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Takiro 🎨
Zergy 
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Wah+ 
Barry Rowlingson@nixCraft a 30 *milli*-Hertz CPU is going to run it pretty slowly though...
splatt9990a 30 milli-Hertz CPU would perform one cycle every 30,000 seconds (~8 hours.) I was curious how slow that would actually be so I found a video of someone loading up Doom on an old 486 running at 66MHZ and it took them roughly 12 seconds to get to the title screen. Doing some *very* handwavy math, we would expect a 30 milliHZ CPU to take roughly 750,000 years to reach the title screen.
Pretty slow indeed...
Milly@nixCraft All SmartCard technology just like your credit card, more advanced id card, medical insurance card etc. Any very small thing designed to securely hold a secret really. Some of them might even have enough capacity to run doom. Look up JavaCard if you want to read up on the software platform.
edit: spelling
Melroy van den Berg@nixCraft I mean you can run doom basically everywhere. So I think you can run a stripped down version of doom on a Sim card, in theory.
Tim Chase
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫@nixCraft
Bags of room for a ZX spectrum emulator tho.
Bags of room for a ZX spectrum emulator tho.
Oriel Jutty 
@nixCraft sounds like the exact use case Java was originally designed for
pingter@nixCraft
There seems to be a misconception, because Doom is 30+ years old now, that it is small and light and can run on anything, where as anyone trying to run Doom on the hardware at the time knows that actually it needed something a little bit special.
Not helped by many of the tiny "it runs Doom" things having nothing to do with Doom.
There seems to be a misconception, because Doom is 30+ years old now, that it is small and light and can run on anything, where as anyone trying to run Doom on the hardware at the time knows that actually it needed something a little bit special.
Not helped by many of the tiny "it runs Doom" things having nothing to do with Doom.
Clot
Rodrigo DiasYou can run Doom on anything, but Linux on a SIM card is a new one.
Computeum Vilshofen
The Penguin of Evil@Computeum @nixCraft probably not in 64K, but BASIC perhaps ?
Well, those 64 KiB are in addition to in-address-space storage, so .text may not need to be loaded :))
@Computeum @nixCraft CP/M and an 8080 emulator then maybe - but disk might be lacking
Resuna
Desikner@nixCraft The standard SIM in the image is actually a mini SIM. A standard SIM card is the size of a bank card.
Yacha
Potato@nixCraft you can run an http server on it, natively. If you so desire.
https://www.oracle.com/technical-resources/articles/javase/javacard-servlets.html
https://www.oracle.com/technical-resources/articles/javase/javacard-servlets.html
Fish Id Wardrobe ⁂@nixCraft
is it just me, but "everything is a computer" seems like a really bad idea?
* my cpu runs minix all by itself
* usb terminators are computers
* sim cards are computers
* …
attack surfaces everywhere!
Tiggy
Daniele Pantaleo 🦥
@nixCraft and It gets better
stience@nixCraft Okay, so aside ftom the apparent 1 calculation per 30k seconds as someone mentioned, I got curious about the RAM requirement of Linux. Googles AI says that the kernel itself needs 1 mb - okay, when I reloades it changed to 2 mb and then a few mb.
I guess we can conclude in this that the more we ask the AI, the more RAM the kernel will require 😃
Hugi@nixCraft There's a demo running on a simcard https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=94981
It struggles at pong, so not quite Doom ready yet XD
It struggles at pong, so not quite Doom ready yet XD
