I see so many people (mostly men, this isn't random) talking about how Meta's Ray-Ban glasses are "incredible" or "still not ready" yet, I don't see anyone calling it what it is: Voyeurism.

This technology will increase voyeurism and stalking aggressions in unacceptable ways. These glasses are a voyeur's dream weapon. Also a doxxer's and stalker's dream weapon.

Why are our laws and cultures not protecting us against this?

#Privacy #Safety #Meta #RayBan #Consent

By the way, if you spot a pair of Meta's Ray-Ban glasses laying on the floor in a public place and filming up, I'd recommend you wrap it in a towel and report it to the authorities (if it is safe for you to do so): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upskirt
Upskirt - Wikipedia

@Em0nM4stodon Thanks for alerting us! Yeah those things need to indicate whether or not they're recording, maybe with a light on the device or something? Or a beeping noise that automatically gets filtered from the audio for people who can't see the light?
@kev There is already a light indicator but unfortunately it is trivial to disable: https://infosec.exchange/@josephcox/115423858757022927
Joseph Cox (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 video a $60 mod to Meta's Ray-Ban AI glasses mean you can never really be sure if someone wearing them is filming you or not https://www.404media.co/how-to-disable-meta-rayban-led-light/

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@Em0nM4stodon I might accidentally miss spotting them and step on them if I encounter such a scenario...
@madalex @Em0nM4stodon
I was about to say the same.
I'm sure the authorities can find the owner through pieces---lenses contain serial numbers

@SnowyCA @madalex Yes exactly, the owner needs to be identified (likely easy from serial number and collected data) and the abusive material needs to be seized by the authorities.

This is similar to how the monster Dominique Pelicot got caught by the way. These predators sometimes have more to reveal on their home devices, so an investigation is important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelicot_rape_case

Pelicot rape case - Wikipedia

@Em0nM4stodon @madalex

Oh that creep!
Indeed they need to be prosecuted!!
edit: and you're correct, home devices are often the key to investigation's success. I know of a child accusing a parent of SA, and when the father's laptop was examined it was loaded with child porn.

@madalex @Em0nM4stodon Except the previous photos are in the cloud by then. I'd rather have the glasses functional, to make it as easy as possible to track down the voyeur and have those files deleted.
@msbellows @madalex Yes, exactly. The device becomes evidence as well.
@Em0nM4stodon @msbellows My guess is that if I accidentally stepped on it, the creep would angrily confront me about it.
@madalex @Em0nM4stodon @msbellows I’m not sure if that’s good or bad. I might kind of enjoy an angry confrontation with a misogynistic pervert.
@Em0nM4stodon Wrap them in a towel, then depost them in the nearest trash bin. Oops, I dropped them...
@c_merriweather As much as I like the sentiment, the idea to report them is to collect potential evidence of a crime: https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/115424543477890252
Em :official_verified: (@[email protected])

@[email protected] @[email protected] Yes exactly, the owner needs to be identified (likely easy from serial number and collected data) and the abusive material needs to be seized by the authorities. This is similar to how the monster Dominique Pelicot got caught by the way. These predators sometimes have more to reveal on their home devices, so an investigation is important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelicot_rape_case

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@Em0nM4stodon @c_merriweather I wish I felt like the authorities were even focused on that these days, but I like the idea of getting it into their hands and wrapped in a towel.
@Em0nM4stodon I'd recommend to stamp on it
@Em0nM4stodon maybe step on them first?
@Em0nM4stodon or trip, land on them, kick them away.

@Em0nM4stodon

We have phones that can take photos of peepers wearing Ray Ban Glasses...those men better beware!
edit: How comfortable will they feel when the situation is reversed.

@Em0nM4stodon Unfortunately, technology is developing faster than the law 
@ppaluchowski64 @Em0nM4stodon I wish even that were true in the US. That would imply US law is trying to catch. Instead we’re letting tech companies get away with already unlawful behavior.
@ppaluchowski64 @Em0nM4stodon in the us our laws are reactive not proactive—so until problems with impactful economic repercussions start happening there won’t be laws. The US puts profit over people
@skoombidoombis @Em0nM4stodon I live in Europe, but I try to monitor the situation in the US whenever possible. And it seems you're right: US privacy law is weak. I hope this can be changed someday 🔐

@Em0nM4stodon @skoombidoombis @ppaluchowski64

Nothing will change in America until billionaires are outlawed.

@ppaluchowski64 @Em0nM4stodon its not just the law. Technology is moving faster than our (as a species) maturity to use it although I suspect the more seedy aspects of these glasses may also be by design

They are from a company that started out as a platform for it's incel owner to sleeze over and objectify young women

@Em0nM4stodon

It's horrifying and it is going to cost people their privacy and their safety.

Our laws and cultures aren't protecting us because, IMHO, we have allowed corporations to have the rights, and the people to be the product.

@Em0nM4stodon because both state and culture is following capitalism. There is money to be made... We have a society full of rich and creepy men, so society caters to them. 🙄

@Em0nM4stodon

I was about to come back with some ostensibly well informed comment agreeing with you, but it was already completely unhinged by like step 1 of that process, so anyway… ANYWAY.

@the @Em0nM4stodon is it illegal, when someone is watching you, to break their Meta glasses beyond repair?

@sabrinaweb71

Who cares? Someone has to set the example.

@Em0nM4stodon

@Em0nM4stodon

Okay, so, all seriousness ass-side:

Recording Video in Public Places

Recording video in public is generally permissible in places like public parks, city streets, and sidewalks, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. This means that if something is visible to the naked eye in a public space, you can record it. This principle extends to filming government buildings and the actions of public officials, like police officers, performing their duties in public.

This right does not extend into areas that, while publicly accessible, are considered private. The key determinant is the “reasonable expectation of privacy,” meaning you cannot use technology to see through the walls of a private home from a public street. The legal framework protects what people can plainly see, not what can be captured with invasive technology.

The Legality of Recording Audio

Capturing audio is governed by stricter laws than recording video alone, due to federal and state wiretapping statutes. The federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), often called the Wiretap Act, makes it illegal to intentionally intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication. A violation of this act can lead to both criminal penalties and civil lawsuits.

The federal law, and the laws in a majority of states, operate under a “one-party consent” rule. This means you can legally record a conversation if you are a party to that conversation, as your participation implies your own consent. Most states and the District of Columbia follow this standard.

A number of states, however, have enacted more stringent “all-party consent” laws. In these jurisdictions, you must obtain permission from everyone involved in a private conversation to legally record it. States with all-party consent laws include:

  • California
  • Florida
  • Pennsylvania
  • Washington

If a conversation involves participants in different states, the best practice is to adhere to the strictest applicable law, which is the all-party consent rule.

Source: https://legalclarity.org/are-camera-glasses-legal-video-and-audio-recording-laws/

 

Obligatory: I'm not a lawyer.

It seems to me like, at least most places in the U.S., the fact that it records video is a non-issue while in public, but also like the fact that it records audio could very easily make it illegal public.

Are Camera Glasses Legal? Video and Audio Recording Laws

The legality of camera glasses hinges on nuanced factors beyond location. Understand the critical legal distinctions for video versus audio to record responsibly.

LegalClarity
@Em0nM4stodon I don't even want to get into the regulatory space of are these allowed in the workplace if you work with medical data, Credit cards, PII.
Can you wear them at work with an NDA?
Can work regulate your prescription eyewear?
Is your risk department even aware of these?

@Em0nM4stodon

It was "public outrage" that killed goofle glass.
There seems none of that now.

@labbatt50 @Em0nM4stodon sadly these are incredibly stealth. I struggled to recognize one aimed at my face while I was talking to the wearer (a colleague). When I realized it (later) it felt awful.

@joe_vinegar @Em0nM4stodon

A Public Outcry stopped the goofle Lens in its tracks.
We need to speak up !!

@joe_vinegar @labbatt50 @Em0nM4stodon a vendor at a large co-op mall was creeping everyone out with his Ray-Bans, constantly taking photos of people and telling his friends that he was trying to disable the tell-tale LED when videoing.

He was evicted from the mall after refusing to stop recording with the glasses when interacting with customers and vendors.

As expected, he started a negative review campaign against the mall. What was shocking was the number he managed to rope into helping him - all very conservative folk in their late fifties to seventies, all slamming the managers for "stifling innovation".

@AbramKedge @joe_vinegar @Em0nM4stodon

Funny that I am in that age group and ...

@Em0nM4stodon I do not disagree with any of your points - all very valid. I saw an advert in the local shopping centre today and they do nothing to change my position on Meta.

The organisation that tried to introduce me to Facebook by telling me I had no friends, that seems to be creating this mandatory need for WhatsApp, is now shipping covert surveillance gear to the average citizen.

They have the ability to do so much good, and yet they decide to do this.

@Em0nM4stodon I'm not sure I understand. Obviously they're a privacy nightmare from big tech's point of view, but how, otherwise, does it differ from phone camera or any other camera, with the exception that there's a light to warn people they're being videoed or photographed, which, if covered, will block the camera?

@JustinMac84 @Em0nM4stodon

I think the relative stealth factor is the issue. It makes it easier to do and harder to notice.

@Em0nM4stodon laws are reactive and slow. A lot of bad shit has to happen before law makers (lacy ass politicians) get there asses into gear and only if they don't get payed off to do nothing.
@Em0nM4stodon As disgusting and invasive a product as can be imagined. The very idea makes me feel like I'm being consumed by a slab of hot black plastic.
@Em0nM4stodon if you see someone wearing smart glasses, always assume they are filming.

@LMNOChris @Em0nM4stodon

Also, loudly inform everyone within line of sight that the creep is doing so, and call them glasshole or other non-marketing-created descriptive term.

Social opprobrium killed Google Glass the first time around. Let's do it again.

@Em0nM4stodon They could add a beeping every 10 seconds, and automatically filter that noise from the audio when saving the video? Something like that could help the blind.
@kev It would definitely be an improvement, but unfortunately also trivial to disable.
@Em0nM4stodon Ok. The speaker can be covered.
@Em0nM4stodon laws need to be updated. Going to have to develop a pocket size counter measure to somehow interfere with all the digital Surveillance

@iamtheworkingman_1 @Em0nM4stodon Oakley has a Mac prefix registered to them, as does Facebook, i have yet to find a relevant one for "Meta" or "Meta AI". Once you know the mac It shouldn't be too difficult to "war drive" for them

https://maclookup.app/macaddress/a468bc/mac-address-details

https://maclookup.app/search-mac-by-vendor/result?vendor=facebook

Details of MAC A4:68:BC | MAC Address Lookup

MAC prefix/OUI: A4:68:BC, Wireshark Note: Oakley, Unicast MAC address, universally administered addresses (UAA)

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@Em0nM4stodon I will be very interested to see if thin / no frame glasses or contacts will become more desired in response to people being suspicious of chunkier frames. I mean, I hope this gets driven back as unacceptable before it widely impacts fashion trends, but I know I'd be thinking about it if I were in the market for eyewear right now.

@ErsatzLogic My own prescription glasses have a thick black frame similar to Meta's RayBan and now I'm mortified people might think I'm one of those assholes.

I may need to change my frame fashion. One more thing Meta has destroyed for me I guess.

@Em0nM4stodon @ErsatzLogic Maybe you could get away with a 3D printed frame cover?

Yeah, it's plastic, but it would make it very clear that your glasses do NOT have a camera that could be pointed at them.

@Epic_Null @ErsatzLogic I guess I could also just put stickers over the non-cameras to confirm there is no camera 😄 Damn... I never thought that could happened when I picked my nerdy thick black frame glasses. The future is weird 🫠
@Em0nM4stodon lol laws aren't there to protect US