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TutaHey @protonprivacy it would be nice if you could update your website. Given that both of us fight for #privacy and #opensource, we must not use the same marketing tactics like Big Techs do.
Alyx Tate@Tutanota @protonprivacy the CEO champions a fascist, remember? Perhaps you should realize how pointless this post is
David Gerard
hazel, that's me.
Chris
Lucas@chrishappy yes please, really interested in that one.
webhat@lucasth @chrishappy this is just one of the articles about it
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
@webhat @chrishappy thanks, will consider to discontinue.
@lucasth @webhat @chrishappy I only recently lifted my limit on infosec.exchange and thus I'm just now seeing this: Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20250115165213/https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
Proton (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance. 1/2
ÐДѷє ۷ǿȵ ຣ@alyx @lucasth @webhat @chrishappy there is however some nuance to this story (no, not ‘both sides’). I recommend reading this analysis before jumping the gun.
@Dave_von_S moving will take some time anyway, and I have no replacement yet.
@Dave_von_S @lucasth @webhat @chrishappy nuance? Bro was openly praising the dictator in chief, that's what started this
@alyx @lucasth @webhat @chrishappy I think you need to read the article; he was only praising this specific choice to appoint Gail Slater, which was actually a) a good thing for FOSS and b) an extremely ironic choice from Trump.
As the analysis (by a very anti-MAGA reporter) shows, there are no solid pointers that Andy agrees with any of the other things that Trump or his movement does; in fact, there’s a ton of solid evidence of the contrary.
But don’t take my word for truth; just don’t only rely on Reddit trolls.
@Dave_von_S I'm not just relying on trolls, I've seen all the tweets and stuff. Do both parties suck? To an extent yes. That doesn't mean go sucking up to the party of fascists and especially don't double down on the official proton account. Even if he's not generally MAGA I still can't trust anyone like thst
@alyx well, in this specific case I believe he was more being ironic than deliberately sucking up. Was it wise for him to post it in the first place like this? Probably not as it’s not crystal clear how he meant it. Was it taken out of proportion? Probably. Did he make a mess of it afterwards? Definitely. Do I judge him on this one unlucky tweet about one of the very few sane things Trump did? Nope
@Dave_von_S I guess my threat model is different. I deal with stalking and harassment outside of Fedi, including mass reporting. @Tutanota refused to accept such garbage reports, whereas Proton after their latest fumble with the journalists (even if accidental) cannot be trusted to do the same resistance
Łukasz Michał@webhat @lucasth @chrishappy Thank you for providing this link, I was not aware of that deleted post about “corporate Dems.” I believe some claims about Proton’s political sympathies are too far fetched given the evidence, as discussed here: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e, but this analysis does not mention the “internal miscommunication” case.
@lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy finding a replacement for my needs turns out to be challenging.... I really need to go through all presented ressources. But then I will need replacement.... Which seems to be not as easy...
@lucasth @lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy I mean we are in the replies of a replacement. What features are you missing?
@alyx @lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy I need a VPN for different countries, password management (Windows, Linux, Android), GDPR compliant, Servers not in the US, not US owned, if swiss certain services not located in switzerland (they have their own issues, proton is moving some services into the EU, which is why they chose them), aaand of course not supporting a certain type of politics....
@lucasth @lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy Mullvad is court-tested logs free for VPN, and Tuta is the only other major player for email that's encrypted short of hosting your own server and demanding PGP for all mail. Host your own password manager (https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden)
@alyx @lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy Ok. thanks, probably not techsavvy enough for self hosting....
@lucasth @lukaszmichal @webhat @chrishappy what you need is Yunohost. You don't even need a domain if you're okay with using a subdomain of one of their ddns domains
@chrishappy @Tutanota @protonprivacy *drops a cute little archive link* https://web.archive.org/web/20250115165213/https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
Proton (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance. 1/2
malloc@Tutanota @protonprivacy i thought proton apps were open source tho?
Amir Khan@Tutanota looks like Proton left Mastodon months ago…👎🏽 doubt they’ll see your message but thanks for pointing this out! 👍🏽
Kaito@amirbkhan @Tutanota you are totally right but it doesn't mean we can't call them out using that handle
they left mastodon cause their social media manager can't handle the pressure
Skyper 💻🎧☕📖@Tutanota @protonprivacy Seriously Tuta, you should know that LLMs hallucinate... 😩
@Tutanota @protonprivacy Besides, it's not the first time you attacked Proton while stating that you are "the world's most secure email". Do I have to remind you that you JUST released manual key verification whereas the issue was raised to you ~8 years ago? It means that until very recently, Tuta servers could easily MITM all the "post-quantum" end-to-end encrypted emails...
https://github.com/tutao/tutanota/issues/768
Proton went beyond manual verifications years ago with a blockchain: https://proton.me/support/key-transparency
@Tutanota @protonprivacy And since we're talking about security and privacy, let's continue...
#Security #Privacy #OpenSource #Transparency #ThreatModeling #Email #E2EE
@Tutanota @protonprivacy To be clear, my goal here isn't to take sides. In fact, I'm a loyal Tuta customer since 2016, for both my work and personal accounts. But as a security practitioner, I just cannot decently recommend your services to people with high security requirements, and I cannot stand your security theater any more. Be more humble and do what it takes to be the best if it's your goal.
#Security #Privacy #OpenSource #Transparency #TheatModeling #Email #E2EE #Tuta #Tutanota #Proton
adison verlice@Skyper I think they knew that, they just wanted to take a nag at proton so they used protons own chwatbot. hey, brings in more entertainment lol
DNKrupinski 🧡🏴☠️»We're consolidating our social media presence due to limited resources and no longer posting on Mastodon. Follow us on Reddit for the latest updates: reddit.com/r/ProtonMail«
Okuna@Tutanota @protonprivacy I think Google, Apple and all others believe in the power of open source as well and particularly companies like Microsoft or Amazon who profit from open source hugely.
To believe in the power of open source does not mean that you do open source.
To believe in the power of open source does not mean that you do open source.
zeroase 
nictakiego@zeroase @Tutanota @protonprivacy its non-sense. Privacy must be assured by client, and thats what Tuta currently does. Its client makes your data private on their servers, and its open-source. Lack of server-side code just makes it impossible for you to self-host Tuta by your own, which actually makes sense doesnt it? If tuta open-sourced their server-side code they would lose all of their competetiveness, and they would make no money, and would not provide private solutions for you.
Tuta is really foss, but they have to earn money too.
Tuta is really foss, but they have to earn money too.
@Tutanota @protonprivacy why don't you create some automatism, how to migrate from proton to you? I sure can do a lot of things manually, but something which supports me would be beneficial because I'm not a techie.
silverwizard@Tutanota @protonprivacy getting into a fight with a (shitty) competitor is one thing. Sourcing LLM bullshit means you catch a block
Maki 🔻@Tutanota @protonprivacy So this toot means all of your products are 100% open sourced then?
Orca 🌻 | 🎀 | 🪁 | 🏴🏳️⚧️@Tutanota
Stop asking LLM like it's some reliable sources, will you?
And Proton left Fedi after their fascist bootlicker CEO caused a public outrage.
Stop asking LLM like it's some reliable sources, will you?
And Proton left Fedi after their fascist bootlicker CEO caused a public outrage.
@chrishappy @Tutanota Proton.
You can see that on ProtonPrivacy's profile page
Furbland's Very Cool Mastodon™@Tutanota @protonprivacy proton killed off their fedi account ages ago, after everyone here (justifiably) got mad about the CEO saying some REALLY problematic right wing stuff. I would stay away from their stuff if I were you
@GroupNebula563 @Tutanota @protonprivacy Would you spare a moment to elaborate? I’ve been aware of the case of him expressing some naive at least (interpreting them in the best faith possible) views about Republicans tackling the big tech, but I’ve been wondering whether he had any more Freudian slips that would confirm the suspicions.
@lukaszmichal @GroupNebula563 @Tutanota @protonprivacy Don't think so. See thread https://mas.to/@lukaszmichal/115204071798926624
Łukasz Michał (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Thank you for providing this link, I was not aware of that deleted post about “corporate Dems.” I believe some claims about Proton’s political sympathies are too far fetched given the evidence, as discussed here: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e, but this analysis does not mention the “internal miscommunication” case.
Sunshine@Tutanota @protonprivacy I should really start running away from them. Ahhhh...I am still in the Proton bubble. 
I target to be free of their services by end of 2025. I am subscribed until Dec. 2025.
I target to be free of their services by end of 2025. I am subscribed until Dec. 2025.
@Tutanota hahahaha funny how you took a nag at them with their own chwatbot. quite hilarious
Troed SångbergUnfortunately #Proton chose to leave Mastodon since they got more pushback here than on other platforms whenever they stepped outside of the image they portrayed. Thus they sadly won't see your apt post.
(I'm still a Proton Visionary customer though, but even as such they didn't want to admit to why they left the Fediverse)
Franky_Tegeler :friendica:@Tutanota @troed @protonprivacy After this incident, there's probably no answer left. Perhaps it's a good thing Proton left the Fediverse. While all opinions and software are allowed here, there are rules. One of them is being honest.
DroidPort@troed @Tutanota @protonprivacy
Go back and look at the responses they were getting on Mastodon. Why would they stick around when the only people engaging were not doing so in good faith?
It was a pathetic display of brigading and vengeance-seeking from a handful of Mastodon users over some seriously nothing comments on Anti-Trust.
I don't blame them for deciding that other platforms were a better use of their resources.
veroandi@troed @DroidPort @protonprivacy
If my company got attacked on social media like Proton did, I'd also leave. They couldn't say anything without being attacked and called the worst names.
Their Instagram account is nice. They've got nice videos, some stupid jokes, and educational content. It's too bad that a lot of people on the Fediverse aren't able to get their content because of the many other people here that enjoy harassing others.
You're not wrong, but you don't always have the option to drop a whole platform as a controversial company. I used to work for Sony Developer Relations. I've seen it all ... :D
I posit Mastodon is also the place that has the very core of Proton supporters. I'm Visionary myself.
@troed @veroandi @protonprivacy
Clearly they do have the option though. Mastodon users also seem to forget how quaint and small the userbase is too.
Never underestimate how important that initial group of "thought leaders" is. That has nothing to do with Mastodon, but all to do with if they move away from Proton and start recommending something else.
(Just to be clear, those persons aren't the same as those who have a need to scream at everyone else for various reasons.)
@troed @veroandi @protonprivacy
I completely agree. Unfortunately the loudest idiots here ruined that for the rest... At least in the short term.
They've left Mastodon in the past and returned. Could happen again.
DigitalDigger@Tutanota @protonprivacy Seems that Proton is again in the middle of a controversy https://cyberinsider.com/proton-suspended-journalist-accounts-citing-term-of-service-violations/
oxidandAnd Tutanota is talking about bullshit marketing? 😂
Take a look in the mirror first and check what you're posting on social media.
ThaMichele