Drew Gingerich
Inglo GamesThis is a fascinating article about AI-based productivity claims, with a ton of data to back up his claims. Definitely worth a read regardless of your stance on AI.
https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware-why-ai-coding
DistractedMOSFET@IngloGamesDev Thanks. This was a good rec!
Paco Hope@IngloGamesDev You know what aspect of development AI increases by 10x or more? Electricity usage and natural resources impact. You can get devastating consumption of resources to deliver mediocre or unusable results.
Mihai Christodorescu@paco @IngloGamesDev You can make the same statement ("devastating consumption of resources to deliver mediocre or unusable results") about the vast majority of human activities, not just AI usage.
Florian Schmidt@mihai
Yes, take cars for example: They make you 10x-100x as productive in carrying stuff - and now we're carrying 10x-100x as much stuff (and even more, ~Jevon's Paradox) *needlessly* around.
@paco @IngloGamesDev
Yes, take cars for example: They make you 10x-100x as productive in carrying stuff - and now we're carrying 10x-100x as much stuff (and even more, ~Jevon's Paradox) *needlessly* around.
@paco @IngloGamesDev
Dźwiedziu@mihai
Then why add AI slop to the mix?
In your equivocation it's as bad as humanity and you don't dispute the 10× resource use.
So not only it's still wasteful it's redundant.
(I'll mercifully skip deconstructing the rather offensive and ecofash-smelling argument, that humanity is somehow wholly responsible for devastation and equal to elite-forced slopification of technology.)
Professor_StevensWriter has been a programmer for 28 years. I've been one for 53. If there were a way to make me faster, I'd use it. But he's right: "This whole thing is bullshit."
In those 53 years, I've also been a lawyer and an elected politician. No one is better at recognizing bullshit than I am. When Elizabeth Holmes said she could test one drop of blood in a day and get the results vials full took weeks to produce, it was bullshit. AI coding tools are the same bullshit that was.
Crissa Kentavr@IngloGamesDev
This is kinda hilarious. My spouse might not have done it Monday, but she did write a fretboard learning tool this year https://mastodon.social/@obscurestar/113846684590869073 we did a video game (but it broke, because engines never sit still) and just today she built a telescope tripod out of scrap.
Who needs AI? (Well, I'd very much like search tools to not suck, but that seems to be an impossible task now a days.)
@Crissa that chord lookup tool is really cool! Love a good piece of hand-crafted artisanal code haha.
Jernej Simončič �@IngloGamesDev Here's a link that doesn't give clicks to Nazi-supporting site: https://archive.is/oSFFz
Alys@jernej__s
Thank you! I want to share this with a friend and I'm much more comfortable with the non-Nazi link.
Thank you! I want to share this with a friend and I'm much more comfortable with the non-Nazi link.
mirabilos@lady_alys @jernej__s yes, thanks.
I won’t share this, the author is too pro-slop for my tastes. But it might help getting pro-slop people you know start thinking…
… hopefully.
buherator@IngloGamesDev I just had a non-programner friend telling me how he vibe coded a neat tool for himself and I wondered how ppl like him fit this picture.
Then I remembered an old saying about the difference between programming vs software dev is that the latter involves people and time (I'd appreciaye if someone could point me to the original). So I guess there are many hidden, personal projects from ppl who don't even know GitHub exists.
Do I think this worth the cost? No. But it's still a pretty remarkable thing!
Then I remembered an old saying about the difference between programming vs software dev is that the latter involves people and time (I'd appreciaye if someone could point me to the original). So I guess there are many hidden, personal projects from ppl who don't even know GitHub exists.
Do I think this worth the cost? No. But it's still a pretty remarkable thing!
Alex Celeste, Princess Consort of Burnout@buherator i have a non-programmer friend who vibe-coded an app they now want a professional to take over maintenance for, and ... well i ain't doin' that, though IDK whether it's better or worse for a client to be able to show you so-exactly what they want
at least they're aware the vibe-coded version doesn't scale and needs changes
@buherator
Yes, computers can do wonderous things and it's always great when we lower the entry barrier to computing.
That said, you're right about people: In a professional software project, the actual programming is a minor task *even of the programmers*. All those meetings just to find out what the actual problem is, how it fits together with existing things, which route to go, clarifying unclear requirements, communicating what you did - that's the real work here.
@IngloGamesDev
T. T. Perry@IngloGamesDev Lots of sentences here that I give a hearty amen to.
Z̈oé@IngloGamesDev this is a great article, I wish it wasn’t on substack so I could boost it
@uint8_t here's an archive version that's not on substack:
https://infosec.exchange/@jernej__s/115153169592261102
https://infosec.exchange/@jernej__s/115153169592261102
Jernej Simončič � (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Here's a link that doesn't give clicks to Nazi-supporting site: https://archive.is/oSFFz
@IngloGamesDev … no. It’s on substack.
@mirabilos
here's an archive version that's not on substack:
https://infosec.exchange/@jernej__s/115153169592261102
here's an archive version that's not on substack:
https://infosec.exchange/@jernej__s/115153169592261102
Jernej Simončič � (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Here's a link that doesn't give clicks to Nazi-supporting site: https://archive.is/oSFFz
Chris Green@IngloGamesDev If a company had actually developed tech with the programming productivity improvements they claim, what they are doing with it (selling it at a loss) would be insane. The smart move would be to keep it to yourself and become a top tier software development company. If Copilot delivered, why the hell would MS let their competitors use it?
Piko Starsider 
@IngloGamesDev @cat5e you may be interested in reading this