Just for the record, Trump can’t do this. The Constitution is very clear that the “times, places, and manner“ of elections for federal office are determined by individual states (though can be altered by Congress).

The president simply has no role in US elections (except to sign into law or veto whatever election-related bills that congress might pass).

And this is not some borderline edge case. It’s addressed directly in Article I of the Constitution. See https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript for this and other fun facts about how our government is organized.
Now, Congress might well be able to legislate some or all of the things in Trump’s putative elections order. And the current Congress has been generally compliant with Trump’s legislative wishes, so it’s not out of the question that they might advance a bill with provisions along these lines, or that some state legislatures might do the same. But no executive order can require them to do so. It’s meaningless.
Also, “Executive Orders” are not laws. They’re orders to the executive branch of the federal government. If you don’t work for the executive branch of the federal government (say, for example, you’re a state election official), presidential executive orders don’t apply to you.
It's also worth noting that the measures he calls for - voter ID, no vote-by-mail, etc - are nothing new. He and others have long advocated for them, and some states already implement versions of them. So everything in this "order", which has all the legal force of a "suggestion", is also old news.

Finally, the federal government has no role in actually running US elections. States do that (usually via counties). So there is no one subject to this order in a position to follow it.

There are plenty of things to worry about with Trump. The legitimate power of the presidency is already vast, and he constantly pushes at its edges to abuse the office further still. But this “order” is just empty blather on his part, not something that he has any ability to actually implement or require.

This thread brought to you by someone who researches and teaches election stuff at a still-somewhat-reputable school.

A thing that makes this difficult to discuss is that many people (across the political spectrum) demand simple narratives about Trump. “He’s our savior!” “He’s an all-powerful monster who can’t be stopped by the rule of law!” Or whatever.

Explanations that don’t fully fit a clean narrative, including much to do with elections, are upsetting.

Anyway, this thread seems to have enraged some people here, but I stand by it.

I think understanding the details is helpful. YMMV.

@mattblaze That's one way to frame it.
@mattblaze It's giving the same kind of energy as "murder is illegal, therefore nobody does it" - you seem to think that there is still respect for the rule of law and its procedures under Trump.

@uncleslacky I’m trying to provide context and background about a current event related to my area of expertise.

Take it or leave it.

@mattblaze Understanding the details *is* helpful, so thank you for this thread!

But it's so difficult to trust that everyone involved in carrying out all his whims won't somehow make this happen for him--the way they've made so much else happen for him that is at least highly questionable if not outright illegal. I've heard "he can't do that" from so many people over so many things that he then *did* without anyone engaging the so-called "checks & balances."

We are so disheartened out here.😔

@courtcan

If youre disheartened, youre looking in the wrong places. Look at the people resisting. They are resisting HARD. Being disheartened is what the fascists want. Fight back by looking at the people resisting. Take heart from their courage. Dont lose any more heart by looking any longer wherever the fascsists are pointing.

@mattblaze

@mattblaze
These days, enragement is engagement. Nobody serious really wants engagement though.
@mattblaze People who react to this information with "But it will be treated like law anyway!!!" I get the easy off-the-cuff pessimism but I'd like to see some kind of analysis if anyone out there has been tracking how often and/or successfully his EOs have been rendered into de facto law by the actions of decision/policy makers who aren't required to follow them. Maybe it's not as often as would warrant the pessimism.

@mattblaze I understand that technically this is all correct, Trump does not have the power to makes these changes. However, Trump and his regime did act, do act and plan to act precisely *against* any law which does not fit their plan. They use violence and heavily employ technology to do so. They label their political opponents as enemies, they deport people.

So I wonder: Do you believe Trump is *not* a fascist?

@reimar I’m trying to provide context and background about a current event related to my area of expertise.

Take it or leave it.

@mattblaze @reimar If the Supreme Court rules it as legal, then what?
@Dss @reimar rules what as legal?
@mattblaze @Dss @reimar the supreme court doest rule on EOs. But lets say some state implements it, and it gets taken all the way up to the supreme. Would the current supreme court permit a direct contravention of the wording of the constitution? They already have a confidence problem. Current right wing thinking is based heavily on a "literal" interpretation of the constitution. Saying yes to this undermines the position they have based a lot of recent case law on. I dont see it happening.
@mattblaze @Dss @reimar my guess is a few red states will use this to hinder minority votes and everyone else will simply ignore it
@errant @Dss @reimar As I noted, state legislatures are free to implement whatever election procedures they wish (within constitutional limits), and several states’ election laws already reflect some or all of Trump’s (supposed) order. Maybe more will as a result of the order. Maybe not. The fact that Trump issued an order is legally immaterial to that.
@mattblaze @errant @reimar Ok, that's a good clarification. trunp can't force it, it would be on the states to do it.
Is there a way around it where he refuses results from any state that doesn't comply with the EO or anything? Because that seems like a thing they'd try.
@Dss @errant @reimar The president doesn’t have a role in certifying or rejecting election results.
@mattblaze @errant @reimar The whole thing with the election certification from a few years back got solved somehow then? When trunp tried to get Mike Pence to not certify the results? Can't see JD Vance not signing trunp up for another 15 year term with him as Co-pilot. Or your does that not happen with mid-terms?

@Dss @errant @reimar The VP's role in certifying electoral college results is strictly ministerial (something clarified in subsequent legislation). There's no discretion involved.

House and Senate seats are recorded through a different process.

The president isn't involved in any of this.

@errant @mattblaze @Dss @reimar A state doesn't need a federal order to do it; they can just do it on their own. The EO is just meaningless noise.
@oclsc @errant @mattblaze @reimar Thanks.
Understanding the subtleties of the US legal system, and it's continued abuse, is hard. And I'm not even in the USA.
@mattblaze Many people demand simple narratives. Full stop.
I can see some correlation with the growing inability to stay focused for more than a minute.
@mattblaze All true, but Trump’s “F*ck you, make me” policy remains undefeated. So his order will be followed regardless. Especially since that’s what the oligarchs want.
@aburtch Followed by who? No one in the executive branch runs elections, registers voters, or does any of the things the order addresses. See the thread you responded to for details if you're curious. I'm done repeating myself.
@aburtch @mattblaze I am still worried about this, but not from this order. If he were to, for example, command ICE to start seizing voting machines from polling places, that is arguably even more illegal, but more likely to happen because there’s a chain of command there. But in this case, the people in charge of the elections who would carry out the actions described in this order just … won’t look at the order at all. They don’t have a reason to.
@aburtch @mattblaze
Please let people continue to think the US still follows the rule of law.
Let them dream, don't wake them.
@aburtch @mattblaze But the point is, he lacks any direct control over the machinery of state and local government. So they can also say "fuck you, make me." And ten regular army divisions plus a few thousand LEOs aren't enough to present a credible threat of enforcing direct federal control over polling places. It's not even enough to lock down three major metropolitan areas at once against a hostile population -- which there very much will be if he tries to fuck with elections with his popularity at the levels it will be in Nov 2026. Logistics is a thing.
@mattblaze I keep wondering: do they ever ask you? I get the feeling they don't really consult experts anymore.
@odr_k4tana who’s “they”? And ask me what?
@mattblaze politicians, about the questions they obviously have about election sec
@mattblaze I (think I) understand why you make this analysis, but a strictly legalistic analysis, although important, isn’t sufficient at a stage where both law and facts are considered optional and where “pound the table” has largely replaced them.
@ahltorp The reason I posted my thread was to add context to a current event that touched upon an area of my expertise. I apologize if you found it lacking. Hopefully you can find a source of analysis and information elsewhere that better suits your needs.

@mattblaze I see a lot of people that say “this person can do this”, and “this person can’t do that”, referring to legality. You are far from the first, society and Mastodon are full of them.

As I wrote, I understand the reason for making this type of naive analysis, but it also perpetuates myths of how power works in society, and people are probably better off studying Foucault or Mbembe than the law at this stage. Sorry if this offends you.

@ahltorp Again, I apologize if you found my analysis insufficiently broad. However, I think you have also mischaracterized it.

Again, my best advice is to find posters to follow who better serve your needs.

I am sorry that I am unable to be of further assistance.

@mattblaze @ahltorp Why are they so opposed to mail-in ballots?

Here in Australia, they send me a mailing ballot application 'just in case' and I barely need a reason to use it. They go out of their way to make it easy to vote. I can vote at a booth for a week ahead of time, and there's absentee booths in every town if I'm travelling and have forgotten to mail ballot.

@bluetea Because “the wrong people” are more likely to vote if it’s easier. Voter suppression is a very important part of the American voting system. Voter participation is actively kept low using this and other methods, like employers threatening to fire people if they go vote on election day.

(In Sweden we have a similar system to yours)

@ahltorp that's so incredibly anti-democratic. I wonder if I take my right to vote too lightly.
@ahltorp @bluetea Australia makes voting mandatory, and provides a multitude of ways to comply. The USA is not longer (if it ever was) a representative democracy

@bluetea @mattblaze @ahltorp Historically in the US (although this seems less true of Trump specifically), Republicans are more steady voters and Democrats less so but more of them. So low turnout elections favor R and high turnout favors D.

Thus, anything that makes voting harder tends to help the R party.

Things must be a lot different in Australia, as I understand everyone has to vote? So you don't have turnout biases like this, probably.

@gregtitus @mattblaze @ahltorp yes, in Australia it's a right and indeed an obligation for anyone with citizenship. You can just deface or deposit a blank ballot slip if you do not wish to vote, but you are obliged to at least show up. And it's always on a Saturday, (I dont know but expect employers would be required to allow you time to go vote. Booths are many and well staffed so it only takes 10 minutes, and there's often a cake stall or barbeque. (see: 'democracy sausage').
@gregtitus @mattblaze @ahltorp interesting info re the bias on turnout. I wonder if making it harder for the elderly may bite them.

@bluetea @mattblaze @ahltorp That's a good question. Certainly before Biden, trunp placed a loyalist in power over the post office, and he then destroyed it - literally bricking the sorting machines, for example - and Biden didn't replace him, and instead DeJoy waited until trunp was back in power to resign suddenly (fell or pushed?) in March.
My theory is that trunp knows Elno isn't to be trusted now since they fell out, so he can't rely on the e-voting machines any more, so he's "banning" them. Better to get postal votes banned too, because he's railed against those for forever as too ~~hard~~easy to corrupt. Better to go with the easier voter suppression of closing down every way for black people to get an ID, and make them wait 12 hours to present it to vote, which they could sidestep with a postal ballot.

Sorry, too much?

@Dss @mattblaze @ahltorp bizarre that the Biden government didn't address the sorting machines and other mechanisms. There's some weird dysfunctional shit across the whole top echelon of American politics and administration.