This is an INSANE decision by the E.U. “By signing up to mutual recognition of vehicle standards with the U.S., the E.U. has waved the white flag on road safety. This is not a technical detail – it is a political choice that puts trade convenience ahead of saving lives.” This will kill people.

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ETSC: Mutual recognition deal with U.S. will cost lives on Europe’s roads

By signing up to mutual recognition of vehicle standards with the United States, the European Union has waved the white flag on road safety. This is not a technical detail – it is a political choice…

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For those replying that Europeans won’t buy them, and European cities “can’t fit them anyway,” I truly hope you’re right. However, I’ve I’ve learned not to underestimate the relentless automobile marketing industry, & the insidiousness of the “safety arms race“ once bigger vehicles start showing up.

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They buy them. They will drive them into medieval cities that were built around horse&cart. They will demand bigger parking spots.

It's up to the cities to fend them off.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social the ultimate irony is they’re not safer as they have not got crumple zones and have passed no safety or stability tests because under US law they are exempt over 1.5 tonnes. A few people have managed to bring them in as personal imports, but they cannot be sold commercially here because they don’t satisfy our safety standards.

Which is a roundabout way of saying they’re death traps

@peterbrown @brenttoderian.bsky.social
When a big car hits a small car, the heaviest one wins and the highest one wins. So eventually statistics will show this, and hopefully laws limiting these beasts will be introduced.

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You are absolutely right about the relentlessness of American automobile ads.
This I snapped from that other site before Exploding Rocket Man took it over.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social eww so cybertrucks coming to Europe

🤮🤮🤮🤮

@brenttoderian.bsky.social @SonstHarmlos Das wird real kaum Auswirkungen haben in Deutschland.
@karlimann @brenttoderian.bsky.social @SonstHarmlos es gibt heute schon Dudes, die solche Wankpanzer fahren. Mit dem Abkommen können die sich jetzt noch größere und gefährlichere Fahrzeuge beschaffen. Und das werden die auch tun. Ökonomisch spielt das keine Rolle, aber dennoch eine neue Gefährdung für Menschen im Verkehr.
@prefec2 @brenttoderian.bsky.social @SonstHarmlos Ok, wieviele Unfälle mit Personenschaden gibt es pro Jahr mit US-Monster-Autos? Im Vergleich mit anderen Problemen im Straßenverkehr sehr gering. Das Thema wird Social Media typisch wieder ausgebauscht. Und ob der F150 jetzt 5000€ günstiger wird juckt auch kaum jemanden.
@karlimann @brenttoderian.bsky.social @SonstHarmlos statistisch hast du recht. Aber das war nicht mein Punkt. Ich will nicht, dass toxische Typen mit gefährlichen Fahrzeugen Menschen gefährden und bedrohen können. Das ist jetzt schon problematisch. Das wird mit größeren Fahrzeugen nicht besser werden. Es geht ja nicht nur um Zölle sondern auch um Fahrzeugstandards (wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe).

@brenttoderian.bsky.social
Those are classified as light trucks in the USA, right?

So you’d need an according commercial vehicle driver’s license (C1, has to be renewed every 5 years with medical check-up), regardless weight, as the classification is also transferred, right?

@vampirdaddy @brenttoderian.bsky.social you can drive something rated to 3.5t on a standard car licence (edit: corrected). You could easily get a huge Ford F150 within that with enough payload to treat it like an obscene family car. It wouldn't be able to carry anywhere close to its theoretical capacity, but I don't think buyers will care. They're about the size of a large panel van like a 6m Fiat Ducato, so big, but not unprecedented. But footprint isn't the issue, it's safety.
@guigsy @brenttoderian.bsky.social
I was thinking along the lines of malevolent compliance - with the EU accepting a US classification, but also interpreting it in a most inconvenient way, thus a constructed need for a "heavier" driver's license for that "commercial truck" despite what's allowed by gross weight.

@vampirdaddy @brenttoderian.bsky.social they are just classed by weight. It'd be a stretch to invent a new class just to catch these vehicles, but not panel vans.

I guess they could insist that if the vehicle is capable of carrying a large payload, then the VIN plate must allow for a minimum proportion of that capacity. They've done similar for motorhomes. It would also stop 7.5t Iveco vans from being plated at 3.5t to avoid tachograph and driving time restrictions.

@guigsy @brenttoderian.bsky.social
The vehicles conforming to EU standards are classified in the EU by weight.

But if the EU accepts US certifications then maybe also the corresponding US classifications (independent of the EU weight classes)?

I'm just looking for possible vectors of malice compliance.

@vampirdaddy @brenttoderian.bsky.social Not sure, but I think it's more messed up than that. There's vehicle classes which determine the safety requirements and periodic testing, and the "road tax" class. I think the US Light Truck is equivalent to these classes.

But the driver's license is mostly broken down by the number of wheels, weight and towing. Which doesn't actually neatly match the vehicle classes.

I guess the individual countries could set a very high road tax?

@brenttoderian.bsky.social Again @EUCommission is taking action against #europeans interest. #corrupt secretly dealing with #trump #musk
@brenttoderian.bsky.social homologated and not homologated. This should be interesting.
@brenttoderian.bsky.social The US, Trump, is effectively dictating policy in Europe. Trough tarrifs, NATO and tech domiant tech.
The US decides the budget necessary for defense, the energy policies: end of decarbonization, foreign policy....
Brent Toderian (@brenttoderian.bsky.social)

This is an INSANE decision by the E.U. “By signing up to mutual recognition of vehicle standards with the U.S., the E.U. has waved the white flag on road safety. This is not a technical detail – it is a political choice that puts trade convenience ahead of saving lives.” This will kill people. https://etsc.eu/etsc-mutual-recognition-deal-with-u-s-will-cost-lives-on-europes-roads/

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@brenttoderian.bsky.social my fellow Europeans i think this is a clever move by #EU institutions. Please give them credit. You already see these cars sometimes here, but homeopathic. And this will defintely not change. Our building codes will not change. Why, out of the blue, we Europeans should buy these? For our existing parking lots? Inner Italian cities? French Coast line? Prefab Garages? Laughable. 400 years of Infra in Europe. No, clever concession from #EU gaining something in another chapter of this trade war. So no, Europe will not be flooded with this panzers. (P.s. i personally would buy such a car if i would be living on a RANCH in WYOMING and be a builder / rancher... they come also electric, the F150 ... but apparently Europe is not the prairie country ... )

@brenttoderian.bsky.social Oh dear. What is the Council of Europe thinking?

EU standards, in particular safety standards, is one of the best things about the EU.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social @edgeofeurope The predominantly narrow streets in European cities are not built for such monstrous cars. Next to increased accidents and pollution, it's also going to cause a whole lot of annoyance. 😖

@brenttoderian.bsky.social

TOTAL EU FAIL THIS WILL KILL

“Allowing American vehicles onto the EU market under ‘mutual recognition’ of standards betrays Europe’s safety leadership, it will cost lives.
European narrow roads and gigantic, under-regulated U.S. pick-up trucks and SUVs –

Mass and energy are different forms of the same thing

Massive us vehicles will annihilate
lighter normal size cars which are most driven in EU,

Surprise
Not what the rich and Politicians drive.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social 🤨 the eu is being a bunch of 🤡 on this.

@brenttoderian.bsky.social does this mean I get to have a car that doesn't wiggle the steering wheel and beep at me every 100 meters?

I want one

(not really, #sarcasm)

@brenttoderian.bsky.social @isotopp I wonder if they will get insurance?
@brenttoderian.bsky.social It's tnme to buy small caps than remove all presure from tyres making them flat without damaging anything (it's important if you get arrested)
@brenttoderian.bsky.social
Really scary shit. I hoped so hard, that EU will forbid many of those things. There are couple huge American SUVs in my smalltown neighborhood, they are so scary.