nixCraft 🐧For those in IT, what was your experience asking for a raise?
ComputerNut43@nixCraft not asking 😂
Marcus "MajorLinux" Summers@nixCraft I never have.
Viss@nixCraft its faster and easier to change jobs
Russian warship go **** yourself 
ferricoxide@nixCraft
Never really needed to? I either got what I was expecting on yearlies or I bounced.
Never really needed to? I either got what I was expecting on yearlies or I bounced.
Stefan Ritter@nixCraft I never asked for it, but often just got it.
kajer :unknown:You either get retention increases or you find a new job and negotiate salary. I made a pretty big jump title wise, but the company claimed they couldn't give me >4% "raise" for an entirely different title / job.
New job increased my pay by 175%
so... the company will pay you to keep you, or you find someone who will pay what you want.
Mark Gardner@nixCraft Never asked, only got single-percentage “merit raises” that somehow were always less than inflation. All my pay jumps have come from job jumps.
Internet Rando@nixCraft In this economy??
Solinvictus 
o/1MS\o ⌨️🐧 | #WeAreNatenom@nixCraft A lot of same phrases: bad economic times, currently not possible.
At beginning of 2000er, first reaction was: Why, you have no academic studies.
But at that time I worked a lot and made a lot of hours paid by customer and I asked for a big raise. I think, I came from a low level, so I got the raise.
Tuchowski@nixCraft I would earn enough...
@nixCraft Then changed job, came back, the salary was almost doubled.
♾️ Water@nixCraft I failed at first because I didn't understand how the company works and who actually has any power. Later I succeeded after talking to the people actually in power.
The hierarchy you saw posted somewhere might not reflect the true structure.
Pusca@nixCraft changed countries
PerlPlayer@nixCraft never asked. Changed the company
Justine Smithies
gmc@nixCraft They came back with a higher number than what I asked for...
schrotthaufen@nixCraft Depends. Are you in a “They literally can’t fire me, because then everything would break in a matter of months, and they’d have to hire me back, but freelance rates” kinda situation?
Seriously, though: Unless your team lead, or head of department is backing you up, it’s not going to be an easy negotiation.
Rony@nixCraft I’m lucky enough just keeping my job.
Daltux 🐈 🧑💻 🌻 🌎️
Phil Haigh@nixCraft moving job.
Sandro Beni 
@nixCraft
the best way to get a raise is to change jobs
the best way to get a raise is to change jobs
Unixorn - 90% Snark by weight@nixCraft
A lot of companies treat IT as a cost center and try to minimize spending on head count. There’s no point even asking at them, it takes a lot less effort to switch companies and you end up with a bigger pay bump.
A lot of companies treat IT as a cost center and try to minimize spending on head count. There’s no point even asking at them, it takes a lot less effort to switch companies and you end up with a bigger pay bump.
Progenitus@nixCraft
In my current company I didn't yet.
My previous company: "Here have it. Could you maybe do also that certification?"
In my current company I didn't yet.
My previous company: "Here have it. Could you maybe do also that certification?"
Bernd Herd@nixCraft I'm working as a freelancer. I don't ask for a pay raise. I just raise prices.
I can observe clients try to avoid ordering afterwards, but soon they give up.
ChakSoft@nixCraft never ever got one. Last time I asked, I've been insulted and changed job 😅
Chris Ellis@nixCraft getting a job somewhere else. Has universally been my fastest way to a raise, and what I've tended to advise people to do. Employers rarely demonstrate loyalty these days.
I've seen many employers spend more on recruiting a replacement rather than giving a colleague a raise.
The best I once saw, after 3/4 of the team had quit, got a job offer (for comparable pay) then turned around and demanded a 3x raise or they'd leave, leaving the company with no-one in the team, it worked.
@nixCraft also, nothing screams you're employer is awful, than being happy at finding a good candidate under market rate.
A few times, hiring, I found great people who asked for way less than they deserved. I told the company to offer them what they're worth.
The good places did, and we ended up with a great person who felt valued.
The bad places did not, and we ended up with a great person who ended up feeling cheated.
I wish more companies could understand treating people well is good.
Fritz Adalis
Francesco Pongiluppi@nixCraft I asked to work 10% less time (36h a week). My boss said OK in a literal second.
Siim Ošur@nixCraft Haven't done that. But I would assume if it ever happened, that the only working mechanism would be to find another job somewhere else.
Worik@nixCraft No. I was asked to take a pay cut. Then fired
AndThisIsMrsPeacock 🏳🌈@nixCraft Never have had to. The twice I was assigned a raise less than I felt like I was entitled to, I got a better job and quit.
@nixCraft I should clarify by saying: it was very clear to me in both cases that the existing gig wasn't gonna pay me and someone else would, so I never even bothered fighting with them about it, I just left and took the more money.
F4GRX Sébastien@nixCraft yOu WiLl InStEaD gEt ReWaRdS wHeN pRoJeCtS aRe CoMplLeTe (never saw one)
oxidandNever worked with the full-time employment. Always ended up changing the job.
Had better luck with the contract jobs. Renegotiating the contract was a lot easier when my main responsibility was doing the job and not promoting 'company values' 🙂
dodothedev🦤💻@nixCraft
I work for the nhs. There is no such thing. 🤣
I work for the nhs. There is no such thing. 🤣
mikeTesteLinuxQlub@DodoTheDev @nixCraft They have some perks, like job security, pension fund, so 👍 considering the job market actually.
@mikeTesteLinuxQlub @nixCraft
🤣🤣🤣 sure, I'll tell my colleagues losing their job their positions are secure. That'll make them feel better.
🤣🤣🤣 sure, I'll tell my colleagues losing their job their positions are secure. That'll make them feel better.
@DodoTheDev @nixCraft I'm not sure to understand, NHS isn't government entity? (maybe job security is different in you gouvernement, here it's quite solid)
@mikeTesteLinuxQlub @nixCraft
Your job is secure as long as the funding holds. If you're front line (paramedic/ambulance driver) then your funding is reasonably secure (depending on political party). But for support staff (such as IT), you're expected to make 6 year old hardware work with modern demands at a salary that your peers in private companies would laugh at.
Plus, your pay is directed by the government, so there is no "raise" other than what they deem fit to offer.
NoAIEver@nixCraft I always pushed for the sky and settled for the clouds but I wear many hats. Never any chance of a push back because of the hats I wear though.
S0AndS0@nixCraft I'm direct, and strive to service teams that appreciate directness.
For example; "with the obligations I have the <rate/> per-<time/> is not sustainable, so moving forward we'll need to find a rate which allows me to focus my energy towards <company/> goals."
mysiar@nixCraft getting rise
Michael Vilain@nixCraft using sudo didn't help.
Il Baro@nixCraft usually when I asked for a raise, I obtained it. In other cases I obtained a raise changing company.
oneiromanticor
Drew Hynes@nixCraft in over then years in the field never once gotten a raise that even matched inflation and my only promotion came with a 5% pay _cut_
dexterous@nixCraft it has always been positive. I work hard and am good at what I do, so I generally just put it to them as "I need to see an x% increase or I'm out". Has always worked to date. I've never been afraid of them canning me for it as I'm confident I can always find another job.
@nixCraft I never meet anyone who got raise, it's only possible to change job.
Corey 🇺🇸🇺🇦@nixCraft I’m trying to get my foot in the door! Hard industry to break into