My Android phone just performed a forced, unauthorized OS update, removing root access in the process.

Despite automatic updates being explicitly disabled.

The tech industry's understanding of "consent" is contemptuous.

"No" means "no", not "maybe later", or "unless you think you know better".

@ryanc

Why don't you install an #opensource #Android?

Pay attention to it the next time you buy. ( #fairphone etc.)

@maexchen1 @ryanc Because for many that's simply not an option due to mandatory digital national ID relying on google or apple services for verification.

@Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc

this is wild..

i hope you don't mind me asking but how does this work? anything i could lookup? thanks.

@qaris @Beiz @maexchen1 Google's SafetyNet, for example. Had to borrow someone else's phone to deal with my resident permit because of the root detection.
@ryanc @qaris @Beiz @maexchen1 yeah, you're out of luck with many apps if you have the root. That's why I ended up with GrapheneOS after all since it allows you to lock the bootloader again.

@sesivany @ryanc @qaris @Beiz @maexchen1 Some CustomROMs on the FP5 allow that too. But that's not the point GrapheneOS has a well working Google containment strategy, that works subjectively a magnitude better than installing GoogleApps on a CustomROM or MicroG.

Or put differently the only thing that does not work on my GrapheneOS Pixel is Google Wallet NFC payments. And honestly that's more of a Google loss than mine. (They lose out on my data, for giving no hardware level attestation

to my Pixel with GrapheneOS, 🤷) AFAIK, the national digital ID app does complain but nowadays works (it does work now with rooted phones too, after complaining), but I don't use it, I stick with my FIDO token for ID Austria.

Funny, the AT government literally does provide, all needed digital services for users without a “smartphone” (Google/iOS), only the optional ones like being able to use your phone as a physical ID doesn't work with a FIDO stick.

And they've created some new types of “physical IDs” that only exist on phones, e.g. proof of age ID, that only shows the photo of the owner, and which age limits the owner fulfils and can be verified if needed. But which does not show any additional data, like birthdate, birthplace, …

@yacc143

If you used Google Pay, you're correct in that it doesn't function on Graphene. However Curve Wallet does, and functions in the same manner.

My next phone will be a Pixel 10 with GrapheneOS, just gotta wait until it's released next month 😄

@Sar Ah, for storing cards, I don't need a wallet as such, that's covered (to my shame, but it's a “work” synergy) by 1password.

Cashback and loyalty cards I tend not to use, and any ways locally they are generally not accepted from a “wallet app”, either the store's app, or a physical one.

(Guess before even wallet apps showed up, we had “share your loyalty card” apps, for cheaper groceries and more privacy, which the shops strongly disliked.)

@yacc143

I use it to store card details so I can pay for things with it using NFC in shops.

As for storing passes and tickets, haven't looked for a Google Wallet replacement for that function as yet. Really should tbf...

@Sar So it can interact with pay terminals?

@yacc143

Yeah, I have it set as my default Pay wallet app. Functions exactly the same as Google Pay/Wallet in that regard.

@Sar @yacc143
That is actually quite useful information, thank you.

Finally a Wallet that isn't bound to whatever bullshit integrity requirements someone pulled out of their ass.

@ryanc @qaris @Beiz @maexchen1

That is such bullshit on an industrial scale, I hate the modern forced integrity bullshit.

It's MY PHONE, the integrity is NOT BROKEN just because I use it for what I wish for.

Fucking garbage.

@DaCool

The majority think apps are great

@ryanc @qaris @Beiz

@ryanc

that's messed up..
thanks for the info, i'mma look into this 🙂

@qaris @maexchen1 @ryanc the ID we use is called BankID.

@Beiz

thanks for the info, i'mma look into this 🙂

@Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc

Italian national ID works on non Google Android, so it is possible.

It is not a technical issue, so a political choice.

@seindal @Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc if you are referring to Graphene OS or LineageOS, IO app dosn't allow documents on non Google devices. Yes, it's a disgusting political/economical decision. Upcoming EU app is also expected to require SafetyNet.
@lollo004 @seindal @Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc and if not for ID-apps, at least in Germany most bank accounts/credit cards will also force you to own either an iOS or a safetynet attested Android phone.

@mxk

You can choose your banks.

There are several that work in the browser.

I also don't understand why everything has to run in app.

Every additional app weakens the overall system and controlling the data becomes a hell of a ride.

More #DigitalSelfDefense please

#DigitalConstraint
#DataProtection
#Datenschutz #digitalzwang
#DigitaleSelbstverteidigung

@lollo004 @seindal @Beiz @ryanc

@maexchen1 @mxk @lollo004 @Beiz @ryanc

They want apps because an app can get a lot of information about you and how you use their services.

The app is not for you. It's for them.

@maexchen1 it's an extremely privileged position to assume that this should be everyone's only criteria for choosing their bank.
And while there still is some chance for banks, for credit cards and reasonably priced depots the selection is a lot smaller.
And there is zero guarantee that a bank account that is usable without being forced to use a certain app as an authenticator, will continue to work that way in the future.

@Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc

A device you are forced to have by the goverment and controlled by goverment approved entity does not need to be your only device.

@didek @maexchen1 @ryanc you're saying that as if money is a choice 😅
@Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc i'm a bit naive but i always make a request to make such apps platform neutral. Especially with government and other public sector services. Please consider it. It takes a minute and might change things for the better
@joost @maexchen1 @ryanc they don't and they won't; it's all been privatized. there is no incentive.
@Beiz @maexchen1 @ryanc like i said, i'm a bit naive. A government exists to perform services for citizens, not for gmail users. We can hold them accountable