I prefer the way Slack groups threaded conversations within a channel. Teams channels are clunky enough that we just end up using group chats instead.

On a 4k monitor you can still only get about 80 characters of monospaced font per line, because of the “negative space” fetish UX designers have.

Something dead simple like posting a stack trace, and then having someone able to, you know, read it… It’s just not something teams really does well.

I can understand how the tooling probably does a ton of stuff that corporate users want (integrating with calendars, tons of access controls for spaces for important people to talk, etc) but for a dev working primarily with a handful of other devs and qas, there is a feature set mismatch. I can’t begin to tell you how badly I don’t give a shit about 99% of its features.

For the most part I like teams, but the notification system is horribly, horribly broken. Everytime i think if finally muted the inane chatter on a channel, I get spammed yet again. Then there are the email notifications… um Microsoft I, like most of your customers, check my email, in Outlook, you know… the email client designed for email, with all the email related features, that has it’s own notifications…

I swear, if I start getting teams notifications in outlook, I will fly to Redmond and start setting fires.

Teams is trash, I have to use it with certain clients, slack for everything else. Literally everything it does is like a wish.com fail version of slack. Like if you ordered slack on temu.

They are now finally putting some work in to improve it. I don’t remember much what I used to hate particularly, it was mostly UI related, bugs or the bad Mac implementation.

The new combined view with chats and teams is much better than the split sections.

It took them until just recently to have a basic code block format like everyone else, instead of this annoying editor-in-editor mess they had before (and still kept for some reason).

It used to be very buggy like you had to hunt down the source of some notification to mark it as read. It still doesn’t 100% sync with Outlook. If an event is cancelled and I click delete in Outlook, I also have to go to Teams and „read“ this update. You can set group events in Teams but they somehow don’t end up in Outlook.

What I really like are the clay-like emojis designs.

Notification syncing between devices is nonexistent in Teams and there are no conversation threads.

In general teams is way more buggy with worse UX. I don’t know if it’s a thing on Teams that our workplace disabled, but there’s no decent notification management. If I take a day off, I can set my notifications in Slack as mute for that day and I can manage notifications for messages vs mentions vs mute per channel.

On Teams I can’t permanently set Enter as new line, I have to click that rich text editor icon for every single message.
On mobile Teams started doing this thing in group chats where, if I move the cursor with drag on space gesture and then move it back to the end of the message, Teams interprets this as a desire to “attach a program”, like power apps (whatever that is).
Pasting in code block also gets me every time. I’ll start a code block in Teams window, go to another window, copy the text and click back on my code block. Teams just drops the cursor to the end of message outside my code block and by the time I notice I already hit ctrl+v.

My last pet peeve is about formatted copy pasting and applies to Slack as well but Teams having more text formatting options shows more of an impact. Never, and I repeat, NEVER have I wanted to paste anything with formatting, especially if I grabbed it form a website, word, excel, pdf or a code editor. Why is it the default and nonnegotiable? I can change the default on Libre Office, why not on Teams? It’s a chat app why would I need headings like in a regular doc?
Every time it gets me, ctrl+c, ctrl+v, fuck ctrl+z, ctrl+shift+v…

Literally every week I encounter new bugs, it gets worse and worse. Many very basic features (like inline code with back ticks) just stopped working months ago and don’t work anymore. Scrolling in some channels is completely broken, jumping around wildly. Sometimes messages just don’t get sent (both on Android & Web). Sometimes calls work perfectly all day, then the next call just randomly changes audio device settings and I have to find what’s wrong again. Sometimes the video stream of a shared screen just doesn’t work, or stops working when switching to the small pop-up window while looking at chats, so the other person has to re-share. Sometimes the “available” state is just broken and keeps getting set to “away”. The search just doesn’t find many things, even when searching with fairly exact parameters.

It’s a daily source of frustration & literally gets worse by the week. I can’t remember a program that’s made me angry as much as Teams has.

Do you really use Teams? If you do, you should not be able to say that

Just talking about Teams is annoying…

Having them name it after a core business organizational unit was just a bad idea. Then naming something in the app the same thing was even worse.

Please open Teams, then search for our team’s Team, then look for this Channel. Please post your question there.

Let’s not forget the absolute shit show that was the upgrade of Teams. The original Teams was rebranded Classic Teams because they wrote a new app that they called New Teams which is of course today just called Teams again.

Considering it’s still a slow clunky resource monster this shows you how bad Teams was originally.

Microsoft said that new Teams is twice as fast and uses half as much memory as Classic Teams

So basic it should be a human right.

The post isn’t even about OS.

I told them my os is non standard, Graphene, and if they need anything more than 2fa codes, it’d need to be on one of their devices.

I actually like the flexibility, but Teams is installed in a work profile that I created. This way I can turn it off when the work day is over. Very useful!

Why would they ask to install something on my phone? It’s my phone, not theirs.

They could ask, but I think that’s all they can do with my phone.

What is the issue if you have it all under your work account and your IT team uses something like Meraki? Im also not at all worried about my work being malicious on my phone, it’s not a huge corporation. But I don’t see much issue there.

I’m fine with it, since they pay my phone bill if I have it installed ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Why are you using your own phone for work?

What happened? I also worked with the JIRA API (on-prem tho), and didn’t run into bigger troubles.

The only thing I really dislike is the “discovery” process. I don’t have much to compare it to, but going through /createmeta/ and what keys are allowed/work or not and how to get to the correct service, and what data is shown or not. Maybe I did it wrong.

what’s your feelings about freshservice?

As a ServiceNow dev/admin, I support this opinion so hard.

I’ve worked at a company that used both. One for development the other for support tickets.

The idea that people would use ServiceNow for development tasks is scary.

I was a vocal hater of Jurassic till I switched to a company that rolled their own ticketing system. Now I love Jira.

Bit unpopular, but I actually prefer servicenows ticketing system over Jira. Although a big part of that comes down to how my team worked for a while

For a while I had to use Jira for any cloud work and ServiceNow for any dev work on that platform. Keeping track of 2 different boards is maddening

I were unfortunate enough to get an assignment about sending messages to ServiceNow through a REST interface. The company had a team that managed ServiceNow, so I set up a meeting with one of the people there to get read access to the test environment so I could confirm that it worked. The person invited, then invited a coworker who in turn invited the manager of their department. During the meeting we got established how little they wanted my team to do anything that could affect the system due to how easy it was to make mistakes that took weeks or months to fix, how complicated it was and how many years it took to be proficient in. The whole thing was basically a lecture on how unequiped our team was to manage their system and how they didn’t want us to break it with changes we weren’t planning on making anyway. It took a few meetings after that to get credentials and when I got them I got admin access for some reason. That experience left me wondering why ServiceNow was even being used as it sounded like a liability more than anything else.