Well, I suppose there are no Black people or trans people or lesbian fire chiefs in Texas, because... if there were any we'd know about them by now as the right would be blaming them for the flood.

@futurebird

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@futurebird I did see, but didn't read, a story being shared about blaming a 'DEI hire' fire chief for those summer camp deaths.

@FeralRobots

Well. I probably spoke too soon then.

@futurebird
I don't know how much traction it got. I think at least a lot of Texans know you can't first respond your way out of a flash flood. Also Abbot's 'teamwork' bullshit is meant to cover his ass, but it does provide at least some cover down the food chain.

@FeralRobots @futurebird The Texas Department of Emergency Management has a daily weather call. They knew rains were going to be very heavy three days before the flooding. They communicated that to localities in a timely manner - what the localities did with that warning is on them.

There are a lot of questions that should be asked of Kerr County leadership over the past 20 years for their decisions to not implement an effective flood warning system and their response to TDEM's flood warning ("Let's just sit on this money because spending it would make Biden look good")

"Nobody could have predicted..." is bullshit. The responsible state organization predicted it and informed the counties giving them plenty of time to respond. Abbott is in full CYA mode running cover for Kerr County officials more interested in partisanship and power than running an effective government or saving Texans' lives.

@arclight @FeralRobots @futurebird
Can't speak about Kerr County, but the mayor of Kerrville was asked if he was invited on that call or on that call and he answered "no, I was not" to both.

@Okanogen @FeralRobots @futurebird It is reasonable to ask which officials knew what when and what they did with that information.

Also spending decisions for flood warning systems, especially when federal money was available. Did they take the opportunities they had to protect Texans and if not, why not?

@arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

It's not just reasonable it's what needs to be done after every disaster. How could this have been prevented? What will we do differently?

If those aren't on the table then the public is being asked to accept that "these things happen and nothing can be done" and the scrambling from some of the leadership says they care more about this not "sticking" to them than fixing anything.

To me it's very slick and inspires no trust. It's not leadership.

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots it’s what they do every time.
β€œOh this isn’t the time to talk about that, let’s pray and put up little cutout angels for the victims, it’s callous and hurtful to the families to bring that up now, no one could have seen this coming”.
Everything from natural disasters to school shootings, same old tired bullshit.

@CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

It's insulting to tell people not to be angry. I go with my 5th grade students to a camp, and this has been giving me nightmares.

At least I won't get as much push back about my insistence that they keep their phones phones on them. next year I think. (taking phones is just lazy, I yell at them to put them away and they *learn* to be polite with technology)

@futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen@mastodon.social @FeralRobots Is that because they need to keeping their phones for emergency communication and they can have them on them without using them?

@alwayscurious @CatDragon @arclight @FeralRobots

Yes. And it's how they learn when it's OK to use their phone.

Frankly if a kid is on a trip and wants to text mom or dad I think they should be able to without asking for their phone from some box?

And YES there are many activities where I don't want to see the phones at all, but kids old enough to have them can learn these rules. (and if they can't you talk to the parents about if they should have one, which has always worked.)

@futurebird @alwayscurious @CatDragon @arclight @FeralRobots
Exactly. The only thing you teach kids with a phone ban like this is to submit to authority.

If you want adults who understand when it is and when it isn't inappropriate to be on their phone, you can't just expect that knowledge to be automatically bestowed upon them from on high the moment they're out of school. It has to be taught and reinforced.

@futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots In the world we live in, it's horrifying that teachers would even consider taking a child's phone away from them.

No matter how much of a distraction it may be.

It's less bad than the alternative of being trapped in what's developing into a hostage situation with no way to communicate information to the outside or stranded without medical care during a natural disaster or trapped under rubble.

Not to mention the much more mundane needs of documenting abuses by other kids or authorities.

@dalias @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

There is a mentality that "we didn't have phones so kids don't need them"

But those cabins probably didn't have party lines, or pay phones. The world isn't set up for people who don't have a phone on their person anymore so taking them away isn't like setting the clock back.

And frankly it's just safer when you can communicate if you need to.

@futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots Even still, the "we didn't have..." mentality is survivorship bias bs.

Would they say "we didn't have seatbelts so kids don't need them"? Or "we didn't have polio vaccines so kids don't need them"??

@dalias @futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots I mean, there are a lot of people saying "we/our parents/our grandparents didn't have MMR/MMRV, so our kids shouldn't need them."

A lot of those people are in Texas. And their children are dying of measles.

@dalias @futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots with vaccines, the herd immunity also allows you to get a lot further with the survivorship bias before hitting problems; a few people skipping out on vaccines doesn't really increase the incidence of disease or death much at all, so people see "well, they skipped out on vaccines and their kids were fine", but once you hit critical mass of unvaccinated kids you get these outbreaks and deaths
@unlambda @futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots Yes but I'm talking about people we expect to be reasonable.
@dalias
Polio is an interesting one. My dad one day got really upset about comparison of polio & AIDS, started lecturing me on prevalence of polio, how many people in any class would get it, etc. (My elder siblings were in the first cohorts to get childhood vaccinations, as a point of age-reference.)
Only just recently learned that dad's very first girlfriend had polio & spent around a year recovering, so a sort of inverse survivorship bias.
@futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen
@futurebird @dalias @CatDragon@mastodon.world @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots that would be fun, though! Set up a camp for kids with a party line for the cabins!

@josh0 @dalias @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

This was once pretty typical. There are all these communication systems that don't exist any more since people use cellphones in their place.

@futurebird @dalias @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots ok, new, better idea! These systems are super simple. The kids show up and there’s no communications, but there’s spools of wire, microphones, speakers, and various bits of historical phones, with basic directions on how phones work.

@josh0 @futurebird @dalias @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

"build a party line" fun electronics project becomes "give kid in next room 9V DC shock by turning crank on phone" ... : )

@futurebird @dalias @CatDragon It's always fun to follow the same reasoning with cars: "my great-grandparents didn't have cars and they did just fine, so we don't actually need cars." (and the trams and trains and corner shops that they relied on don't exist any more).

@futurebird @dalias @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots deep sigh.

Well we didn’t have school shootings either did we?

@dalias
(A little disturbing that we can talk about 'documenting abuses by other kids or authorities' as a 'mundane use' but I guess that's where we are.)
@futurebird @CatDragon @arclight @Okanogen

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

I remember after Katrina, the GOP talking point was "Let's not play the blame game." Infuriating.

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

This was a thing in the South of France.

35-ish years ago, there were wide-scale floods, so every town in the South oof France built flood mitigation defences.

25 years ago, in Nimes, the town council were complaining about the constant maintenance bills for something "that we will never need..."

That year, they decided to ok the funding, but it was going to be reviewed next year.

1/2

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

That same summer, the whole of the South of France had the same levels of flooding, but Nimes was the only city that had kept their flood defences funded, and they were the only city in the region that hadn't been flooded. :D

Remember to include the upkeep costs, as well as the capital costs of construction.

This may be where the paranoia about the "strings attached to funding" is coming from.

2/2

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

Though it would probably have been better if they didn;t build on the floodplain in the first place... :D

@BillySmith @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots according to Wikipedia, Nimes was founded by the Romans, I think that if they’ve been on the floodplain for a couple thousand years give or take that’s not the only thing going on

@kevinriggle @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

Like a lot of places in that part of France, it was built on reclaimed marsh land. :D

Lots of fertile soil in an arid area. :D

@BillySmith @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots Someone should speak to the Romans about that.
@BillySmith @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots this reads like an aesop's fable or jesus parable or something come to life

@apophis @FeralRobots @Okanogen @arclight @futurebird

I was visiting my ex-partner's family when the floods took place, and got some long lectures about the local politics in that part of France... :D .

I took one train from there to a different region of France, and everywhere else wsa flooded... :D

When they looked at the costs for the damage for everywhere else, it was way cheaper to pay the annual maintenance.

Just like insurance premiums. :D

@apophis @FeralRobots @Okanogen @arclight @futurebird

In that region of France, it became a textbook example of why you don't skimp in maintenance. :D

@BillySmith @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

A less severe example was during the two winters with extreme snowfall in central Sweden in the mid 00s. All the trains got stuck because there wasn't a snow blower strong enough to clean the tracks.

It ended with the railway company having to wheel out the 1912(!) snow blower from a train museum. That old piece had no problems cleaning some 3-4 feet of snow.

Yes they commissioned one afterwards.

@WhyNotZoidberg @BillySmith @futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots In the UK there is a railroad club that has built a full size steam locomotive and runs excursion trains. When extreme cold shut down the electric railroads, that steam loco was the only train still running.

@arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

Real leadership is going after the problem with no regard for the impact on your political future. Just focusing on WHY and what could be changed.

I don't like to assume that people don't care, but when the puffery comes first? I start to wonder.

@futurebird @arclight @FeralRobots
Well, Kerr County spent years refusing to spend money sent to them by the Biden administration for flood warnings and communications.
This thread is disturbing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1ltkzgh/we_have_floods_all_the_time_and_small_town/

@Okanogen @futurebird @arclight @FeralRobots
It is hard to overstate how completely deranged some of these people sound. I'm only loosely paraphrasing here:

"It's a trap! If we take this free $5.1m it'll turn us trans and make us hate immigrants less, plus it's an insult to our Great and Glorious Leader Trump. Send it back!"

Commissioners explain it really *is* free money, no trap, and add, "And if we send it back it'll be reallocated to NY, NJ, or CA and we can't have that!"

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots Texas politicians have made it clear they don’t care about human life. The poor sods who differ from the norm will have a tough time ahead.

@CStamp @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots

Is it unreasonable that I expect that somethings ought to make some kind of more selfless state of awareness kick in? Like "if I could have done anything to stop this I need to find it and change it?" rather than all of the political calculations?

Maybe. Probably.

@futurebird @arclight @Okanogen @FeralRobots It has been "something" watching elections from outside your country in which a candidate who is clearly bright, with an actual plan, and wanted to improve things was again and again losing to the incumbents with a history of not caring, with no intent on making things better for anyone. Texas was particularly bad for that. One of the winners actually left the country for warmer climes when his policies helped shut down a power grid during a freeze?
@CStamp @futurebird @Okanogen @FeralRobots Yes, that would be Sen. Ted Cruz (aka The Zodiac Killer) who was found to have flown to Mexico for warmth and electricity while his constituents were freezing to death in the dark back here in Texas.

@futurebird @Okanogen @FeralRobots One of the major reasons that we have seen so few nuclear accidents in the US since Three Mile Island is the cultural shift with the entire industry to make problem reporting easy and safe. It's one thing to tell people to put safery first, it's another to give them psychological safety and job protection to raise uncomfortable topics without adverse consequences. It's not perfect but is so much better than I've seen in other industries. You don't get a culture like that purely from regulation or edict - it needs to be tended, evaluated, and corrected when is goes astray.

This isn't a sales pitch; I think more people need to understand specifically our stated and practiced cultural norms. When you see the responses to this tragedy, how people behaved before and after the incident, compare the values shown by their culture to what we strive for in nuclear:

https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML1303/ML13031A707.pdf

@arclight @futurebird @Okanogen @FeralRobots I feel this in my bones.

A culture that looks away, that puts consensus ahead of everything is how this stuff festers. Forcing out anyone who won't go along to get along.

Getting that type of culture to respect consequences, and not just "it won't every happen here" naive trust in probability. Or less than naive, just an unwillingness because our causes discomfort to admit vulnerability.

@arclight @FeralRobots @futurebird
Agree. And there is a lot of buck passing from top to bottom.