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[witchzard]Jun 26

"Not all men," he casually argues, tossing a chocolate into his mouth.

She doesn't blink. Instead, her fingers curl around the box of chocolates between them, and she smiles. "Okay. But if I take this box of chocolates, poison one in front of you, shake the box, and offer you one", she raises an eyebrow, "would you take it?"

The chocolate in his mouth suddenly feels too thick, too sweet. A disbelieving laugh escapes him. "Good lord, you are crazy."

"Oh no no, I'm not crazy," she says trying to fight the smirk at his reaction. "I'm just working with the numbers. When one in four is poisoned, you check every piece."

l excerpts from a novel I will never write

~~~ thenevernovel, Instagram

@ics As I have no interest whatsoever in any human being except my wife for company, I'll say OK. Assume that I'm basically Trump, if that provides you with a way to live your best life, which I wholeheartedly want you to do.

But how can we motivate men to better themselves if the explicit policy is that it will make no difference whatsoever for them and they'll stay enemies of womankind either way?

@zappes I ... don't understand what you are trying to say.

In fact, being a kind and decent person, and being a feminist, helps men a lot - maybe even more than it helps women.

The patriarchy is not a boon for men; it helps a few men to grab power and hold on to it. But it is actually the hell that all men live in.

Patriarchy, misogyny are really bad for women, but they are equally horrible for men - especially because most men are duped to believe that it is in their own interest, which it absolutely isn't.

@ics I fully agree with that, really. And I do what I can to be a decent person because I think that‘s valuable in an of itself.

I‘m just frustrated by the fact that this whole thing smells like the Middle East. Very few bad people manage to make very many normal people suffer, and the surrounding rhetoric makes reconciliation look less likely with every day that passes. It makes me sad.

undead enby of the apocalypse Jul 28

@zappes @ics did you just seriously compare marginalized genders being cautious around cis men with fucking racism??? You just implied a lot of racist shit about people from the Middle East. Please just stfu.

[witchzard]Jul 28

@enby_of_the_apocalypse 😂- I thought I had that guy blocked already - soeey that you had to see that - there were a few such assholes in that thread. That's why I posted this one this morning: https://tau-ceti.space/@ics/114929508190748079

imdat celeste :v_tg: :v_nb: :v_genderfluid: [witchzard] (@ics@tau-ceti.space)

If you say that the explanation in my post about "not all men" sounds like what some fascist asshole says regarding Muslims, Blacks, ... then you don't get it! Or, you maliciously try to twist the words. Just because some people used a kitchen-knife (a tool) to kill people doesn't mean that I have to stop using the kitchen-knife (a tool) for cooking. Metaphors can be applied to many situations. Just because some asshole uses it for racist situations doesn't make the metaphor as such bad. Oh, and btw: such behavior lands you on my blocklist.

Tau Ceti - The One and Only!

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[witchzard]Jun 26

"Not all men," he casually argues, tossing a chocolate into his mouth.

She doesn't blink. Instead, her fingers curl around the box of chocolates between them, and she smiles. "Okay. But if I take this box of chocolates, poison one in front of you, shake the box, and offer you one", she raises an eyebrow, "would you take it?"

The chocolate in his mouth suddenly feels too thick, too sweet. A disbelieving laugh escapes him. "Good lord, you are crazy."

"Oh no no, I'm not crazy," she says trying to fight the smirk at his reaction. "I'm just working with the numbers. When one in four is poisoned, you check every piece."

l excerpts from a novel I will never write

~~~ thenevernovel, Instagram

[witchzard]Jun 26

I am pinning this to my profile. Whenever someone says "not all men", feel free to point them to this post.

ℂ𝕖𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖@world: /#

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@ics "Not all men" only works as an argument if "those men" are actively combating the patriarchy. Just "not participating" means standing by as injustice and harm continue. Most of the time, almost all of the time, "not all men" is just a petty excuse to do nothing and to dodge criticism instead of joining the fight. That's why the patriarchy is still there.

[witchzard]Jun 26

@celeste_42bit "not all men" doesn't work as an argument at all - until that day when women, walking through a park in the night, feel as comfortable as men.

Period.

ℂ𝕖𝕝𝕖𝕤𝕥𝕖@world: /#

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@ics I was suggesting that patriarchy wouldn't exist any longer, and women would feel safe if all of "those men" would be actively fighting it. It's not happening tho. They're just letting it continue to wreak havoc.

[witchzard]Jun 26

„Nicht alle Männer“, argumentiert er beiläufig und wirft sich eine Praline in den Mund.

Sie zuckt nicht mit der Wimper. Stattdessen umschließt sie mit den Fingern die Pralinenschachtel zwischen ihnen beiden und lächelt. „Okay. Aber wenn ich diese Pralinenschachtel nehme, eine Praline vor deinen Augen vergifte, die Schachtel schüttele und dir eine anbiete“, sie zieht eine Augenbraue hoch, „würdest du sie nehmen?“

Die Schokolade in seinem Mund erscheint ihm plötzlich zu dick, zu süß. Ein ungläubiges Lachen entfährt ihm. „Meine Güte, du bist doch verrückt.“

„Oh nein, nein, ich bin nicht verrückt“, sagt sie und versucht, ein Grinsen über seine Reaktion zu unterdrücken. „Ich schaue mir nur die Zahlen an. Wenn eine von vier vergiftet ist, überprüft man jede einzelne.“

~~~~ Auszüge aus einem Roman, den ich niemals schreiben werde

Jess ex machina Jun 26

@ics Schreib ihn bitte! 🥺

[witchzard]Jun 26

@P0llyticks 😂

@honigwein_Jun 26

@ics schreiben, sofort!

[witchzard]Jun 26

@honigwein_ 😂

Offenes Wort Jun 27

@ics Vielleicht als short story? @Tami

[witchzard]Jun 26

Adam, "bütün erkekler öyle değildir,” diye rahatça karşı çıkıyor ve ağzına bir çikolata atıyor.

Kadın gözünü bile kırpmıyor. Bunun yerine, aralarındaki çikolata kutusunu parmaklarıyla kavrıyor ve gülümsüyor. “Tamam, ama ben bu çikolata kutusunu alıp, senin önünde bir tanesini zehirlesem, kutuyu sarstıktan sonra sana bir tane versem”, kaşlarını kaldırıyor, “alır mıydın?”

Adamın ağzındaki çikolata birden çok ağır, çok fazla tatlı geliyor. İnanamayan bir kahkaha kaçıyor ağzından. “Tanrım, sen delisin” diyor.

“Hayır hayır, deli değilim” diyor kadın, onun tepkisine karşı gülümsemeyi zor tutarak. “Sadece rakamlarla oynuyorum. Dört taneden biri zehirliyse, tabiiki her parçayı kontrol edersin.”

~~~~ asla yazmayacağım bir romandan

@ics As I have no interest whatsoever in any human being except my wife for company, I'll say OK. Assume that I'm basically Trump, if that provides you with a way to live your best life, which I wholeheartedly want you to do.

But how can we motivate men to better themselves if the explicit policy is that it will make no difference whatsoever for them and they'll stay enemies of womankind either way?

@zappes @ics I don't think that's one of the goals.

[witchzard]Jun 26

@zappes I ... don't understand what you are trying to say.

In fact, being a kind and decent person, and being a feminist, helps men a lot - maybe even more than it helps women.

The patriarchy is not a boon for men; it helps a few men to grab power and hold on to it. But it is actually the hell that all men live in.

Patriarchy, misogyny are really bad for women, but they are equally horrible for men - especially because most men are duped to believe that it is in their own interest, which it absolutely isn't.

@ics I fully agree with that, really. And I do what I can to be a decent person because I think that‘s valuable in an of itself.

I‘m just frustrated by the fact that this whole thing smells like the Middle East. Very few bad people manage to make very many normal people suffer, and the surrounding rhetoric makes reconciliation look less likely with every day that passes. It makes me sad.

undead enby of the apocalypse Jul 28

@zappes @ics did you just seriously compare marginalized genders being cautious around cis men with fucking racism??? You just implied a lot of racist shit about people from the Middle East. Please just stfu.

[witchzard]Jul 28

@enby_of_the_apocalypse 😂- I thought I had that guy blocked already - soeey that you had to see that - there were a few such assholes in that thread. That's why I posted this one this morning: https://tau-ceti.space/@ics/114929508190748079

imdat celeste :v_tg: :v_nb: :v_genderfluid: [witchzard] (@ics@tau-ceti.space)

If you say that the explanation in my post about "not all men" sounds like what some fascist asshole says regarding Muslims, Blacks, ... then you don't get it! Or, you maliciously try to twist the words. Just because some people used a kitchen-knife (a tool) to kill people doesn't mean that I have to stop using the kitchen-knife (a tool) for cooking. Metaphors can be applied to many situations. Just because some asshole uses it for racist situations doesn't make the metaphor as such bad. Oh, and btw: such behavior lands you on my blocklist.

Tau Ceti - The One and Only!

harmoniousanger Jun 26

@zappes @ics
That isn't the policy, explicit or implicit, so back up one. To claim they are enemies (or even seen to be so) is a truly unwarranted exaggeration.

Women have cause to not trust men by default, which is different from distrusting men by default (and some women have cause for that posture).

Bytebro 🇬🇧 🇺🇦Jun 26

@ics
Shame, that was shaping up as a good tale!

[witchzard]Jun 26

@bytebro 😂 ❤️

Jaxom Kaplan Jun 26

@ics @bytebro reminds me of a novel about poisonned chocolate being publicly used, it was in this book but I don't know which of the stories...
https://www.babelio.com/livres/Penzler-Vengeances-mortelles/170573

Vengeances mortelles - Otto Penzler - Babelio

Critiques, citations, extraits de Vengeances mortelles de Otto Penzler. Le principe des anthologies d'Otto Penzler est appétissant : il choisi...

Babelio

@ics
This bigoted logic works with any group of people be it ethnic, religious, sexual, gender, wtv

Asbestos Jun 26

@ics
that's a good one

meek cynics Jun 27

"Not all ███," he casually argues, tossing a chocolate into his mouth.

She doesn't blink. Instead, her fingers curl around the box of chocolates between them, and she smiles. "Okay. But if I take this box of chocolates, poison one in front of you, shake the box, and offer you one", she raises an eyebrow, "would you take it?"

The chocolate in his mouth suddenly feels too thick, too sweet. A disbelieving laugh escapes him. "Good lord, you are crazy."

"Oh no no, I'm not crazy," she says trying to fight the smirk at his reaction. "I'm just working with the numbers. When one in four is poisoned, you check every piece."

Holy shit, @ics, this logic sounds like something coming right outta TSA's training material to justify racial profiling.

[witchzard]Jun 27

@cnx As with (nearly*) any tool, you can use it prepare an awesome dinner or to kill people - it is what you do with it that counts.

*: "nearly", because there is no other use for a handgun or machine gun or anything like other than to kill someone

meek cynics Jun 27

No, @ics, I meant the discrimination against black people or muslims is based on the same logic: some suicide bombers are muslims, so all muslims must be more carefully screened than other groups, or how african american are more likely to be pulled over.

[witchzard]Jun 27

@cnx Well, I don't think that's that.

I think, discrimination against black people or muslims is because of pure, simple, old-fashioned racism - it has nothing to do with some of them being bad - or how would you explain the NON-discrimination against white people who commit vastly more horrible crimes?

[witchzard]Jun 27

@cnx But I can see how the above argument would be used by those racist, yes.

meek cynics Jun 27

@ics, in the US, convicted crimes are proportionally more likely to be committed by people with than without african descent. My point is, however, the proportion of criminal, regardless of one's ethnicity, is marginal in the overall population, so being more cautious with someone just because that person is black is, be definition, racist.

Discrimination against one's social identity based on a correlation of a bad trait with the identity's minority is morally wrong IMHO no matter how you try to spin it. We are all imperfect, and it's fine to have unkind thoughts from times to times; I just don't think it's very nice to glorify them.

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[witchzard]Jun 27

@cnx Ah, I see where you are coming from and where you are going.

There is a German saying: "Reisende soll man nicht aufhalten!" - have a nice day

undead enby of the apocalypse Jul 28

@cnx @ics this is really making all the racists come out of the woodwork, huh? Go fuck yourself.

That isn’t a valid comparison. It’s not a tiny minority of men who create a dangerous environment for women/girls/femmes and men are not an overpoliced & marginalised minority.

I’ve been sexually assaulted by four different men (2 of whom were social acquaintances), groped by scores if not hundreds more (it was basically a weekly occurrence in my late teens/early 20s). The verbal assaults/threats are countless. And my experience is at the milder end for women

@cnx @ics Those men faced no consequences because they’re part of the dominant group, not the oppressed. Other men did/said nothing or even made excuses for them & blamed me, it’s baked in to our society.

It’s not comparable to the demonisation of marginalised groups. The whole “but what if i said that about x marginalised group” is an argument that assumes everyone starts in a equal position, that misogynistic, racist, queerphobic, ableist power structures don’t exist

[witchzard]Jul 19

@Lemlems @cnx@awkward.place

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@cnx @ics congrats on being mis-understood... :/

[witchzard]Jul 24

@admin @cnx@awkward.place 🙄🫩

Elle 💗Jul 16

@ics I prefer this one

[witchzard]Jul 16

@ellesaurus Works equally well 😍

Nour 🏳️‍⚧️🍉Jul 16

@ics I've seen a similar idea in a tweet
> TV ldea: #NotAllSnakes
> Men who say "Not All Men" are introduced to a variety of snakes. Not all of them are
venomous.

[witchzard]Jul 17

@autistic_enby 😍 😂

@ics I'm a male feminist, I'm not offended and I'd never use the phrase "not all men", but I think the story sounds clichéd (Donald Trump Jr. already compared refugees to poisoned Skittles in 2016).