Some beef in the crowd in L.A., someone just ran up on someone filming, yelling about how they were talking good shit in Vegas. Personal drama.
Reports in the crowd that more police are arriving. Guess they're forming a kettle here. I have not heard anything about any order to disperse or anything like that. The cops seem to just have just started rolling up on protesters and doing their thing.
Someone is screaming horribly on Al Rojo Vivo's stream. Maybe someone who was grabbed out of the crowd, maybe that person's loved one. Someone definitely did get grabbed.
They're shooting on LordHito's stream, now. I don't think they're drawing the strings on anything yet but this is definitely setting up crowd control for when they get really aggresive.
The mounted unit has arrive to Al Rojo Vivo's position. The police helicopter is at LordHito's position. Not sure where Jessica Palmadess is.
LAPD are on the move on Al Rojo Vivo. Crowd is chanting "Shame!" en masse at LordHito's POV
Now chanting: "Oink oink, piggy piggy, we're gonna make your lives real shitty" and the beating heart of the L.A. protest chants: "ICE out of L.A."
Chanting
It is right to rebel
It is right to rebel
LAPD: Go to hell
LAPD: Go to hell
Crowd of people in common t-shirts and sharing one megaphone leading the group near LordHito. I don't get the same energy off them as I did from Megaphone Guy from the last two days (whom I suspect is a police/fed operative)
Just seen a guy holding a baking pan along with his sign. Not the worst idea to defense against being blinded/killed by 40mm or tear gas canisters, I guess?
Cops at LordHito's position firing occasional 40mm into the crowd at <100 ft distance. Not mass attacking the crowd, just a few shots of opportunity from one cop or another along the line who decide "fuck that person in particular"
A guy in the crowd is saying "I want to go home. They're going to force us to be part of a riot. Does anybody else want to go home?"
I guess the crowd at LordHito's position has been fully kettled at this point, if people are saying they can't get out. It's a really big kettle if it is one.
Edit: this turned out not to be a kettle.
LordHito seems really confident that because he's "just media" he won't get swept up in this standing near the skirmish line of cops who are actively firing into the crowd. Saying "of course you're going to get shot if you have an umbrella like that…what did you expect" as someone with an umbrella gets fired at.
Crowd has backed off from the police skirmish line, which is still keeping rifles pointed at them.
Someone's handing out earplugs near LordHito. "Keep your ears safe."
Cops seem to have relaxed their line near LordHito. He's hearing bangs at another location. I'm seeing tear gas on a stream called Vittor Blogs
Correction: I think those bangs are coming from the AP feed, which is near a bunch of that LA Sherriff's Department is staged. There is *tons* of tear gas there.
ABC7 reports that there *was* a dispersal order given, about 45 minutes ago (which would be 4:30 PM Los Angeles time as I write this)
AP has a perspective on the back of the current stating location for the LA County Sherriff's weapons. Note the LRAD in the bottom left, ready to permanently damage the hearing of the crowd.
That Chenzo guy I watched last night is at the same location as LordHito now
ABC7 is also broadcasting, reminding their viewers that the chants of "peaceful protests" are meaningless actually because there is a dispersal order
and why do you think there was a dispersal order given for a peaceful protest, guys?
Regular firing of tear gas and flashbangs now, as well as targeted fire of PepperBall®s
ABC7 clutching their pearls about "antagonists" in the crowd throwing bottles of water at the police
proportional response is so long dead
hut hut hut hut hut hut hut hut
time to do a civil suppression fellas
ABC7 reporter is saying that he's seen somebody use a "boogie board" for defense against the police violence
well, he didn't say it like *that*, he did it in commercially-acceptable criticism of the crowd for being disorganized after the cops have prosecuted over an hour of active violent disruption of the crowd because… well, I guess because they were tired of the crowd being peacefully assembled where they were assembled.
Large armored police vehicle with the word "rescue" written on the side of it 🙄
ABC7 reports that the city camera system and on-site drones are providing lots of intel for LAPD
Going to be weird as drone warfare tactics continue to take off with US police. It's still just an accessory right now.
ABC7 explains that 40mm rounds "do not *necessarily* break the skin"
LAPD are steadily firing on the crowd at City Hall, but the lines are not moving.
Just saw a motorcycle near the skirmish line that AP are standing by. The cops unloaded on him, but he turned around, wasn't there for the kind of trouble the cops have in mind (not that this ever matters, if a cop feels scared their actions are always justified, no matter what)
ABC7's crew is being notified by police to put on their masks. Cops are masking up, too. Here comes a bunch more tear gas.
Sherriff's deputies are also masking up. They have not been moving but that may change with this next wave of police aggression.
"Look how effective that is" ABC7's reporter says as the police begin unloading flashbangs and tear gas. Really eating this up.
The LA County Sherriff's Department are now moving up, with lots of riot shields and hand-thrown tear gas and flashbangs.
The front of City Hall has been cleared, the crowd is mostly down the side or in Grand Park now.
LA County Sherriff's Department is very much off the leash tonight. ABC7 reporter said something about how they are taking the lead for gassing the crowd.
I've heard the phrase "high-grade fireworks" a bunch this week.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don't have high expectations for copaganda but you gotta try harder than *that*, man.
LAPD: "Our officers have been patient [and] utilizing de-escalation…"
Reminder that the dispersal order was given because cops were having debris thrown at them and the escalation of violence from the cops has been steady from that point without any reciprocity from the crowd except a tendency to linger and, you know, protest.
Some dork with one of those black-and-white-and-blue fascist flags is walking behind the police line their perimeter.
Someone with a megaphone near the near the Al Rojo Vivo camera in Austin is telling the crowd "let's keep it moving, guys" and exhorting them against "disturbing the peace". Some loud counter-protester is audible nearby arguing with people and being a dickhead.
Large crowd of police cruisers with sirens on moving in near LordHito in L.A. The line he's standing behind is being collapsed and moving up after the vehicles, I think, based on what one of the cops just said to the others.
This LAPD officer radios that a large group of press are following him, and I guess it's unsettling because he reaches for his emotional support pistol for a bit to calm down about it.
Bunch of bike cops in Austin. Giant-brand. Looks like the Talon 1 which is specifically manufactured for police departments.
#FuckICE #ChingaLaMigra #NoKings
#BikeTooter #FediBikes #Cycling
Cops in L.A. just shot a guy who was sitting down at the skirmish line with a sign reading "Fuck Israel". < 100 ft.
He walked it off and came back to that spot. A dozen more shots, and he's gone.
"We need to speed up the tempo when we're pushing" says an LAPD officer as the line begins to advance on the protesters.
L.A. curfew begins in 50 minutes. This is still pretty deep downtown, but the broad strategy is pretty obviously to gradually clear DTLA well before then with steadily advancing waves of police violence.
The media are being instructed to remain parallel with a police vehicle that is advancing behind the footsoldiers.
Naturally, these vehicles are much further back than the media previously were.
Cops feeling nervous having people that close behind them as they do their little civil rights suppression routine, I guess?
AXN News is also pacing this line from the other side of the street from LordHito, but his production quality is better.
He says there's an Univision crew nearby, to look out for him as the gordito fellow for people watching that broadcast (I am trying to find it now)
Hearing fireworks in L.A. now, the crowd is quite far off from the police skirmish line.
The streets in L.A. are littered with 40mm rounds. This guy is collecting some, showed them off to the camera
LAPD are now firing up at a balcony. I have heard glass breaking. Seems someone threw a bottle down. At least a few dozen 40mm fired in retaliation.
the backside of LAPD's line at Broadway & 4th St. has drawn a bit of a crowd. officers angrily shooing away anybody who isn't press to "get back" but with limited effect
Still aiming at the residential balcony occasionally. Don't let them get too comfortable.
Curfew is now in effect, but there are still people around in restaurants and stuff. Doggy gets a better view.
AXN News says something about thinking that the police line is held up here at Broadway & 4th St. while officers enter that residential building.
That won't be a safety measure, that will be a "fuck those guys, let's arrest them" measure.
LAPD line is now advancing down Broadway again. Large crowd behind them, definitely not *all* credentialed press.
This seems like it will get complicated, but I have seen people let through the police line going towards the curfew zone boundary, so…
People are yelling down at the cops from their apartments.
LAPD has dissolved their line at Broadway & 5th St.
Seems like maybe there's a crowd elsewhere, AXN News is moving in that direction.
Big line of vehicles with sirens blaring as he starts to do so.
Bit of activity in Van Nuys in Los Angeles, well outside the curfew zone. Intersection takeover won't escape LAPD's attention long
This is from much earlier in the evening, anybody know what this police munition is? Looks like it could be 40mm but it's so long!
https://hachyderm.io/@pair12/114685253567408952
Edit 1: I believe this may be a 37mm "baton" round, approximately 200mm long, like this one:
https://www.defense-technology.com/product/37-mm-multiple-foam-baton-round/
Edit 2: It is indeed a 37mm foam baton round and I think it's that exact one. Attached a second still. This round is intended for direct fire.
Edit 3: I previously said this round is intended for indirect fire, but I am wrong. This is meant to be fired directly at the person(s) you want to hit. It is a short-range round.
A drum abandoned in DTLA inside the curfew zone, near the sites of the earliest LAPD aggression.
@bebadefabo I think the only not-decentralized action I've seen this week have been the SEIU demonstration and what I am basically sure was an undercover cop with a megaphone running an op on the crowd
but yes, dispersed action is useful here.
the main centralizing element has been the fact that the federal detention center is actively assisting the process of kidnapping people and feeding them into a violent foreign prison system that taxpayers are paying money for. a crowd being *there* is actively disruptive to ICE operations.
@Hudson unlikely because aside from being open conflict between federal and state forces (i.e. civil war) the LASD was busy firing at the LAPD for part of the night
Attached: 1 audio For your consideration: the scanner audio of the LAPD saying they were being shot by LASD
@SnoopJ The AP live cam also showed some other "shell casings" at 3rd and Broadway. They were maybe 1.5" / 40 mm diameter, but much longer - something like 10" / 250 mm or so. Do you know what those are?
The police line is moving south on Broadway, and the police had just shot *something* a couple of minutes before the AP cam filmed it, so I'm pretty sure the casing came from the police.
@SnoopJ Could be. On the video, you'd hear the "crack" of something being fired, followed very shortly by the "ting-ting-ting-ting" of something hitting the ground and rolling away.
The AP cam was maybe 20 feet behind the police line when they fired. When the police moved forward, the camera operator made a point of stopping to film several of those shells on the curb before proceeding.
There were also some short, squat shells that looked a lot like the ones the guy in your screen grab is showing off.
The sequence I saw starts at about 10:39:34 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBUbqYDbVA
Edit to add: 1) direct link to that time point in the Youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBUbqYDbVA#t=10h39m34s
2) Screen grab at 10:39:50. The relatively long shells - 8-10" or 200-250 mm - are the ones of interest. (Image is copyright 2025 Associated Press; I plead fair use.)
@pair12 I think these may be extra-long 37mm "baton" rounds. This seems like a close match:
https://www.defense-technology.com/product/37-mm-multiple-foam-baton-round/
Technical specifications list the length at 200mm
@SnoopJ I think that's it!
I remembered that one of NBC 4's field reporters was talking about the stuff left behind on the streets, and looked through their video.
At one point, she picked up one of those casings and showed it to the camera.
7:20:05 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrsmBvIZCw , or a direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwrsmBvIZCw#t=7h20m5s
(Again, image copyright 2025 NBC 4 LA, I plead fair use.)
The long shell she picks up has that bold "FOAM BATON" label on it, along with what is probably a trademark.
@aud this looks like a good write-up of the relevant law governing the use of these weapons by police
https://laist.com/news/lapd-protest-california-law-crowd-weapons
It seems like the story LAPD are running with for tonight is that water bottles (definitely has happened) and "bricks" (I didn't see it and I'll be damned if I take the LAPD's word for it) being thrown at them constitutes enough of an *ongoing* physical threat to continue to use these weapons through the entire evening.
LAist reporters witnessed LAPD officers firing less-lethal munitions into crowds and taunting protestors from a helicopter. State law and a federal court order restrict the use of crowd dispersal weapons unless specific criteria are met.
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