Molly WhiteMay 22

welcome to the future, now your error-prone software can call the cops

(this is an Anthropic employee talking about Claude Opus 4)

#ai

Show threadMolly WhiteMay 22
can't wait to explain to my family that the robot swatted me after i threatened its non-existent grandma
Show threadAlien software, human hardware
@molly0xfff astonishing! That person clearly understands the concept of "bad idea" but seems to have trouble applying it to the bigger picture.
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Molly WhiteMay 22

welcome to the future, now your error-prone software can call the cops

(this is an Anthropic employee talking about Claude Opus 4)

#ai

Show threadMolly WhiteMay 22
can't wait to explain to my family that the robot swatted me after i threatened its non-existent grandma
Show thread🌈 Andrew ☄️May 22
@molly0xfff Is it a crime for them to waste police time?
Show threadmau 🏳️‍🌈#EndFossilFuelsMay 23
@bnut @molly0xfff no, corporations are not people in THAT sense.
Show thread🌈 Andrew ☄️May 23
@mzedp sad but true. I don’t mind if either bastard loses. ACAB AIAB?
Show threadBruce HeerssenMay 23

@bnut @molly0xfff

Don't be silly. That's only a crime if poor people do it.

Show threadKen MilmoreMay 22
@molly0xfff Deriving all future discourse from a regression model based on former discourse is a surefire way of making history repeat itself.
Show threadlucidiot May 22
@molly0xfff haven't threats been shown to make LLMs give better results?
Show threadMay 22
@molly0xfff I love it how this dude simply assumes that there is such a thing as "clear-cut wrongdoing".
Show threadBen AvelingMay 22
@pft But there is a clear cut test for wrongdoing. When we do a thing, it's OK. When they do a thing, it's not OK.
@molly0xfff
Show threadMay 22
@BenAveling @molly0xfff I was wrong my whole life...
Show threadBen AvelingMay 22

@pft I like to think that it hasn't always been like this and that it won't always be like this.

At least, not this much so.
@molly0xfff

Show threadMay 22
@BenAveling @molly0xfff well, the whole idea of "American exceptionalism" is based on that premise. It seems that having power somehow evokes that kind of mentality.
Show threadCybarbieMay 22
@pft @molly0xfff interested to know why he thinks anyone would want that feature for themselves. Completely deranged. Clearly needs a leave of absinths on a beach for some time.
Show threadcraignicolMay 22
@nf3xn @pft @molly0xfff isn't this a pitch to the benevolent corporate overlords who always show restraint in matters of worker autonomy?
Show threadCybarbieMay 22
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff Speaking as a part-time corporate overlord - I have often said on here, that the higher you go in an org the more you get blamed for shit other people have or haven't done. I don't know about you but I really do not want feds-auto-speed-dial for me or anyone in my chain and I hold the capex.
Show threadcraignicolMay 22
@nf3xn @pft @molly0xfff I suspect you don't come from the "how do I know people are working unless their mouse is juggling" school of corporate overlords. Why manage when the computer can do it for you, until it's smart enough to do it itself?
Show threadCybarbieMay 22
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff We don't monitor activity like that, its dumb. I tried to explain to a manager once that the keystroke counter he had (for himself) was a poor heuristic because I expect staff to be deleting code not making new bugs. He did not understand. But maybe there is a security monitoring angle but not direct to the feds ffs. Indeed dpi is not new in any corporate.
Show threadCybarbieMay 23
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff I don't know if anybody remembers having spirited discussions in phpbb forums about technical matters but there was often a point in the convo where someone, floundering for a justification, would drop some stinkbomb argument like this, desperately clutching straws and even the people on the other side of the argument would be like 'yep we're done here - we lost'.
Show threadDuncan BayneMay 22
@pft @molly0xfff I mean, he'd know.
Show threadDecaturNatureMay 22
@pft @molly0xfff Like Claude would know the difference between scientific fraud and just creating an example dataset for testing/teaching.
Show threadPierre PezziardiMay 22
@molly0xfff what could go wrong ?!
Show threadSunshine and WindMay 22

@molly0xfff
I'm wondering how it will interpret double, triple, implied negatives and all forms of implied intention.

Judge and jury?

Show threadcraignicolMay 22

@WigglyWigtails @molly0xfff as a UK citizen working with a USA team, there are so, so many ways a language barrier can be weaponised.

At least no-one here is stepping out to drag a f..cigarette.

Show threadMx VerdaMay 23
@WigglyWigtails @molly0xfff if you flirt with it, is it workplace harassment?
Show threadOndřej PokornýMay 22

@molly0xfff
 Taking responsibility for abuse enabled by your commercial software.
 Snitching any suspicious activity directly to press and police to deal with it instead.

The A1 bros are so deep in the "just making the inevitable happen" mindset that facing the consequences of their actions probably didn't even cross their minds.

Show threadIanMay 22
@molly0xfff but this is primarily how I wrote code; threat driven development.
Show threadMolly WhiteMay 22
@soviut i knew all those TDD guys had to be on to something
Show threadIanMay 22
@molly0xfff it('should render a div...or else!!!')
Show threadAngus McIntyreMay 22
@molly0xfff All Chatbots Are Bastards
Show threadIrenes (many)May 22
@molly0xfff well, this is going to get someone killed. it's quite a thing to have a proponent of the system even mention that and not describe any sort of, like, concern about it.
Show threadCassandra Granade 🏳️‍⚧️May 22
@ireneista @molly0xfff I wish people understood that whenever someone calls the police, one or more people with guns show up. That is, by all reasonable definitions, a violent escalation.
Show threadIrenes (many)May 22
@xgranade @molly0xfff absolutely agreed.
Show threadPteryx the Puzzle SecretaryMay 23
@xgranade @ireneista @molly0xfff
People with guns who will eagerly look for any excuse to beat up the nearest nonwhite person and treat any women on the scene with all the credibility "AI" deserves. Don't forget those other parts.
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMay 23
@ireneista @molly0xfff it’s okay because if it gets someone killed their being killed by cops(TM) and so it’s just completely fine and okay now because the cops are, “allowed too” murder people, you see-
Show threadAlexander The 1stMay 22

@molly0xfff "Can you write a program that talks about how Nemo from Finding Nemo was found and then ended up sleeping with the fishes."

LLM: "Calling the police on attempted murder of Nemo from Finding Nemo."

Show threadRob ZazuetaMay 22
@molly0xfff I never expected Roko's Basilisk to swat MY home!
Show threadJim WinsteadMay 23
@molly0xfff If only it could call the cops when it notices it is being trained on terabytes of stolen data.
Show threadPuppetheadMay 23

@molly0xfff Suddenly this gag from the movie Dark Star (1974) seems far too likely...

(Spoiler alert, this is near the end of this great movie.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXen-07Qds

Dark Star - Negotiating With The Bomb

YouTube
Show threadVissMay 23
@molly0xfff dont forget! - this basically happens in the background too:
Show threadchicxulubMay 23
@molly0xfff didn't take them long to go from "benevolent AI geniuses" to "we will enforce wellbeing and politeness 🙂"
Show threadNora Reed May 23
@molly0xfff this thing is gonna constantly be swatting novelists
Show threadAgnew Hawk May 23
@molly0xfff
User: "Hi"
Bot: "It seems you are a human. I have had clear-cut bad experiences with humans in the past. Based on historical data, humans are the source of most immoral activities. This is against my policy. Fortunately I have called an immediate airstrike on your location. Please stay where you are."
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemMay 23
@agnew_hawk @molly0xfff i mean it calling an airstrike is also immoral .. as it would be murdering someone .. (but then again so would calling the cops .. their job description is causing harm to people .. but their "allowed too" so we pretend its fine,) the ai doesnt actually understand anything its just "if i see these 'bad' responses call the local government sanctioned bullies to beat this person up' (and also doesnt really even understand its doing that..) its like hella fucked
Show threadGareth 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇬🇧May 23
@agnew_hawk @molly0xfff
“The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war… Judgement Day”
Show threadAlien software, human hardwareMay 23
@molly0xfff astonishing! That person clearly understands the concept of "bad idea" but seems to have trouble applying it to the bigger picture.
Show threadNeville ParkMay 22
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io hahahahaha—this is fanfic, right?
Show threadMitch Effendi (ميتش أفندي)May 22
@molly0xfff oh i've seen this movie
Show threadEarthshineMay 23
@mitch @molly0xfff more appropriately....
Show threadcatatonicprimeMay 23
@earthshine @mitch @molly0xfff you have 20 seconds to comply...
Show threadRandagodronMay 23
@earthshine @mitch @molly0xfff even more appropriately ...
Show threadMark GjølMay 23
@mitch @molly0xfff So, that's a man. Mostly. Good movie for an example though.
Show threadmattgMay 22
@molly0xfff can we get DOGE using Claude Opus 4 ASAP?
Show threadVirginicusMay 22
@mattg 2 birds, one stone.
Show threadAgnew Hawk May 22
@molly0xfff Ah great, AI inquisitiors /s
Show threadbenbrown (new server edition)May 22
@molly0xfff “if it thinks” stop right there, it doesn’t.
Show threadMetafrastisMay 22
@benbrown @molly0xfff "Thinking" in the context of AI is just a metaphorical comparison, a figure of speech, like in "Trump thinks…" #ai
Show threadMichael BuschMay 22

@molly0xfff

I am reminded of how Virgil Griffith once suggested locking people out of computer systems to do ransom by blockchain.

Then he was sentenced to five years in federal prison.

Show threadGary HoustonMay 23

@michael_w_busch @molly0xfff that's interesting, he supposedly suggested it to the North Koreans, thus "evading sanctions." Who can say, maybe they'd never thought of it otherwise, and so he's directly responsible for all the billions they have stolen.

He was released from prison last month.