welcome to the future, now your error-prone software can call the cops

(this is an Anthropic employee talking about Claude Opus 4)

#ai

can't wait to explain to my family that the robot swatted me after i threatened its non-existent grandma
@molly0xfff Is it a crime for them to waste police time?
@bnut @molly0xfff no, corporations are not people in THAT sense.
@mzedp sad but true. I don’t mind if either bastard loses. ACAB AIAB?

@bnut @molly0xfff

Don't be silly. That's only a crime if poor people do it.

@molly0xfff Deriving all future discourse from a regression model based on former discourse is a surefire way of making history repeat itself.
@molly0xfff haven't threats been shown to make LLMs give better results?
@molly0xfff I love it how this dude simply assumes that there is such a thing as "clear-cut wrongdoing".
@pft But there is a clear cut test for wrongdoing. When we do a thing, it's OK. When they do a thing, it's not OK.
@molly0xfff
@BenAveling @molly0xfff I was wrong my whole life...

@pft I like to think that it hasn't always been like this and that it won't always be like this.

At least, not this much so.
@molly0xfff

@BenAveling @molly0xfff well, the whole idea of "American exceptionalism" is based on that premise. It seems that having power somehow evokes that kind of mentality.
@pft @molly0xfff interested to know why he thinks anyone would want that feature for themselves. Completely deranged. Clearly needs a leave of absinths on a beach for some time.
@nf3xn @pft @molly0xfff isn't this a pitch to the benevolent corporate overlords who always show restraint in matters of worker autonomy?
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff Speaking as a part-time corporate overlord - I have often said on here, that the higher you go in an org the more you get blamed for shit other people have or haven't done. I don't know about you but I really do not want feds-auto-speed-dial for me or anyone in my chain and I hold the capex.
@nf3xn @pft @molly0xfff I suspect you don't come from the "how do I know people are working unless their mouse is juggling" school of corporate overlords. Why manage when the computer can do it for you, until it's smart enough to do it itself?
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff We don't monitor activity like that, its dumb. I tried to explain to a manager once that the keystroke counter he had (for himself) was a poor heuristic because I expect staff to be deleting code not making new bugs. He did not understand. But maybe there is a security monitoring angle but not direct to the feds ffs. Indeed dpi is not new in any corporate.
@craignicol @pft @molly0xfff I don't know if anybody remembers having spirited discussions in phpbb forums about technical matters but there was often a point in the convo where someone, floundering for a justification, would drop some stinkbomb argument like this, desperately clutching straws and even the people on the other side of the argument would be like 'yep we're done here - we lost'.
@pft @molly0xfff Like Claude would know the difference between scientific fraud and just creating an example dataset for testing/teaching.
@DecaturNature @pft @molly0xfff this was my first thought. I make simplified datasets to test my code before I run a test on a set that could take several minutes to run. Is that clear cut misconduct

@DecaturNature @pft @molly0xfff I prompted Claude to emit a seven-paragraph essay explaining why “dry drop metallurgy” is more efficient than earlier techniques.

No such technique exists.

@molly0xfff
I'm wondering how it will interpret double, triple, implied negatives and all forms of implied intention.

Judge and jury?

@WigglyWigtails @molly0xfff as a UK citizen working with a USA team, there are so, so many ways a language barrier can be weaponised.

At least no-one here is stepping out to drag a f..cigarette.

@WigglyWigtails @molly0xfff if you flirt with it, is it workplace harassment?

@molly0xfff
 Taking responsibility for abuse enabled by your commercial software.
 Snitching any suspicious activity directly to press and police to deal with it instead.

The A1 bros are so deep in the "just making the inevitable happen" mindset that facing the consequences of their actions probably didn't even cross their minds.

@molly0xfff but this is primarily how I wrote code; threat driven development.
@soviut i knew all those TDD guys had to be on to something
@molly0xfff it('should render a div...or else!!!')
@molly0xfff All Chatbots Are Bastards
@molly0xfff well, this is going to get someone killed. it's quite a thing to have a proponent of the system even mention that and not describe any sort of, like, concern about it.
@ireneista @molly0xfff I wish people understood that whenever someone calls the police, one or more people with guns show up. That is, by all reasonable definitions, a violent escalation.
@xgranade @ireneista @molly0xfff
People with guns who will eagerly look for any excuse to beat up the nearest nonwhite person and treat any women on the scene with all the credibility "AI" deserves. Don't forget those other parts.
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io hahahahaha—this is fanfic, right?
@molly0xfff oh i've seen this movie
@mitch @molly0xfff So, that's a man. Mostly. Good movie for an example though.
@molly0xfff Can't wait to see what Claude Opus 4 does in Texas if someone asks about reproductive rights.
@neurovagrant @molly0xfff
Chuck Norris and Ted Nugent are dispatched to your house.
@jbowen I hope they're dropped from an appropriate height (cruising altitude, no parachute)
@dngrs
Do we have anything against Chuck Norris? (not American, don't follow the news)
@jbowen
@cafeinux @dngrs He's a hardcore fundamentalist Christian

@cafeinux @dngrs @jbowen Shorts version: he's a Trump supporting Republican in 2016 in real life.

Technically, he didn't endorse anyone in 2020 or 2024, but...he's known to be a Republican in the past.

@cafeinux Nothing that works, as far as I can tell ;)
@dngrs @jbowen
@molly0xfff can we get DOGE using Claude Opus 4 ASAP?
@mattg 2 birds, one stone.
@molly0xfff Ah great, AI inquisitiors /s
@molly0xfff “if it thinks” stop right there, it doesn’t.
@benbrown @molly0xfff "Thinking" in the context of AI is just a metaphorical comparison, a figure of speech, like in "Trump thinks…" #ai

@molly0xfff

I am reminded of how Virgil Griffith once suggested locking people out of computer systems to do ransom by blockchain.

Then he was sentenced to five years in federal prison.

@michael_w_busch @molly0xfff that's interesting, he supposedly suggested it to the North Koreans, thus "evading sanctions." Who can say, maybe they'd never thought of it otherwise, and so he's directly responsible for all the billions they have stolen.

He was released from prison last month.