Phil
nixCraft 🐧Microsoft: We write 30% of code using Gen AI.
The rest of the world: That explains the current state of Windows 11, MS-Office and all other products.
Tech bros and Bill Gates: AI will replace almost all jobs.
Humans: What are we supposed to do?
Tech bros and Bill Gates: You are free to do whatever you always wanted.
Humans: So we can travel anywhere for free? Live in any country? My family and I will have free medicine, food, and rent taken care of.
Tech bros and Bill Gates: *walks away* without giving any answer.
Madalin Ignisca 🇪🇺🇪🇦@nixCraft I think would sound funnier replacing Bill with you know who...
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@madalinignisca @nixCraft we could replace the Tech Bros with "AI". A Similar device than that proposed to replace Arthur Dent's brain would suffice. It only needs 3 or 4 phrases plus 3 operation modes:
- Dick(pic) mode
- Offended liver-saussge mode
- Bossy mode
I am absolutely sure, we could implement that in an Arduino.
- Dick(pic) mode
- Offended liver-saussge mode
- Bossy mode
I am absolutely sure, we could implement that in an Arduino.
Chris1776@nixCraft They consider us "useless eaters".
XaetaCore 
Cyberpunk 2077 Johnny Silverhand's Campaign Speech
Gryficowa@nixCraft In China, they already replace the CEO using AI, unfortunately, the rest of the world will still have to deal with them
RejZoR@nixCraft Ai replaces all jobs. Ai doesn't buy anything. They have a big flaw in that economic equation... Like, how are people earn money to buy their expensive iPhones and Copilot powered laptops? It's like they didn't think this one through. At all.
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🔶Mark Nicoll 3.5%🏴🇬🇧🇪🇺🇺🇳
Ollie 🇪🇺🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🇵🇸🇺🇦@nixCraft Only 30%? Given the state of their "products", I'd argue that's some serious under-reporting.
@distinctdipole @nixCraft Many products that were defective were created before AI and Boom on the AI itself, so I will not be surprised by the best code AI will have, because if without AI they could spoil so much, maybe here and something "repair"
D2@distinctdipole @nixCraft nah, it’s like pee in a pool or a botched recipe — doesn’t need to get anywhere near 30% bad to be convincingly ruined.
MacCruiskeen@distinctdipole @nixCraft The rest of it was coded by a tem of capybaras in trenchcoats and funny hats.
Jari Vuorijoki@nixCraft but that is business.
Deven Phillips@nixCraft I'd love to blame how bad an experience it is using Teams on AI, but it was bad long before AI started writing code.
Dark Photon Studio@nixCraft Don't blame AI. It's an amazing new tool that is being used in ways it's not ready for, if ever. It's at the radium in water hype cycle. Radioactive elements are cool, but you shouldn't drink them.
@shanesemler @nixCraft yeah, it's amazing at being unfit for almost all purposes it's used for. Totally worth ruining what's left of the planet.
Reid 
@nixCraft nah, that’s just the special Microsoft sauce: it was all really bad even before the generative ai craze
@Reiddragon @nixCraft And I agree with that + they abandoned a good operating system through the bad start (Windows Vista) instead of developing it (because the bad start is not the end, and the further, the more stable this Windows was)
@Gryficowa @nixCraft but they did keep developing it: 7 was an improved Vista, and it was much better received. They just knew they couldn’t save the Vista brand from the PR nightmare, even tho many issues with it weren’t even their fault (see Nvidia’s “64”bit driver being the 32bit driver in a wrapper, causing it to crash when a programmer tried doing 64bit anything on the GPU), so they rebranded it into Windows 7 which is, to this day, really well remembered.
Some of the issues with Microsoft products are technical issues that are decades old, some older than Windows, but it all took a nose dive in the early 2010s when priorities changed and the leadership of most products was composed more of designers than engineers.
A (possibly former) Microsoft engineer wrote about that once (tho I don’t have a link anymore). tl;dr: the people in charge of Windows and other MS products weren’t engineers dogfooding said products, they were designers who used macbooks and could hardly be further from dogfooding what they were making, causing everything to go to absolute shit
In fact, it’s very publicly known that that’s how Windows phones died: most people in charge of it didn’t even use Windows phones, they used Android phones or iphones, so issues just went unobserved by the developers and reached the users who then either got used to the issues or (more often) ditched the platform for something else
@Reiddragon @nixCraft I'm just saying that they abandoned Windows Vista too quickly
@Gryficowa @nixCraft did they, tho? it was a PR disaster and by 2012 when mainstream support ended, nobody cared about it, everyone was either sticking with ole reliable XP, or using shiny new 7.
Today a lot of people look at Vista retrospectively and go “it really wasn’t that bad”, but that’s in hindsight. At the time, basically everyone looked at Vista getting EoL’d early and thought “good riddance”
George Liquor, American@Gryficowa @Reiddragon @nixCraft I think Reid's point was that, in effect, they abandoned Vista at Windows 7 end of support. That was more than 12 years, which is *forever* in tech
@liquor_american @Gryficowa @nixCraft my point is more that I don’t get how exactly they abandoned Vista considering 7 kept the same direction as Vista, just under a different brand
did Vista get EoL’d way earlier than most other versions? Yes, but few still bothered with Vista when it got EoL’d, and for them they could either update to 7 or already had fancy contracts that would get them enrolled in the extended support (infact, according to Wikipedia, Vista got an update just this month for this category of users)
Diego Pino@nixCraft "Any promising but unfulfilling advanced technology is indistinguishable from sales"
Tofu 
@nixCraft Microsoft nuked their testing department around 2014 and replaced it with automation and virtual machines, which also explains the decline in reliability when windows 10 launched.
Clinton Anderson SwordForHire
David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)Never attribute to AI that which can be adequately explained by poor management.
Deborah Preuss, pcc 🇨🇦
nex@nixCraft Wait wait wait … using generative AI when writing code would be a plausible thing they might have done for 30% of the code written over the past year, and it wouldn't necessarily be inherently bad.
But the quote from Nadella says something _completely_ different: That 30% of their code has been _written by_ AI. Which sounds ludicrous, but yeah, it's not impossible that they're in the process of destroying several code bases like that.
@nixCraft However, when I hear about the state MS products are in, most of the really concerning issues don't stem from bad programming. They're due to Microsoft's user-hostile business practices, which have been a constant since 1975. Yes, that's half a century now!
If they're wrecking their code with LLM bullshit, that isn't really noticeable yet. Chat-bots are prone to produce code that fails completely, but it's not chat-bots who are driving the pervasive enshittification.
@nixCraft In the sense, Windows 11 came out in front of the boom on AI, so he was in bad condition before it (and let's be honest, and he manages better in coding than in "creating arts", although it should rather be a tool for help, not to replace people)
@nixCraft
Nah, it was buggy and full of bad assumptions decades before that.
What -is- noticeable is that AI hasn't made it any better. Or cheaper.
Nah, it was buggy and full of bad assumptions decades before that.
What -is- noticeable is that AI hasn't made it any better. Or cheaper.
AvocaMicrosoft software has been a blight on society since they introduced Windows 95.
Bill Gates should have been stopped after the Millenium Bug.
Actually, Microsoft as a company has been a blight on society since it was started.
Yaqub. M
Lucas Treffenstädt@nixCraft not that the quality was any better before they had generative ai.
@The current state? Windows has been crap for years and years and years... this is just "windows still sucks but now it's got CrapAI !"
ben moretti@nixCraft that explains teams then
conscientious objector🇨🇭🪂This! ⬇️
„ In the 1950s and 60s, programmers wrote assembly code, where a single line might represent just one CPU instruction; by the 1970s, higher-level languages like C allowed programmers to express algorithms more concisely, increasing productivity dramatically“
nobody wants to write assembly to create a websites.
#AI is a tool. Higher productivity, yes. But it won’t replace devs. It will make it feasible to write software for business processes where it was to expensive.
sylvie@tobi82
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You are correct. But if you want to serve a document <html/> via tcp:80 by using assembly, I guess you will need to build the ip & tcp stack too? Otherwise it would be cheating.
@tobi82 smh kids these days using their x86-es instead of making their own CPU
Wim🧮That’s not how it worked in the past. We have more devs today employed than ever, despite efficiency gains since the 60‘ or the 2000‘ when I started.
I currently build forms for a city council.Taxes for dogs, school change, and so on. They have 700 processes like this. We will build forms for 60 of them. The rest will be a pdf upload.
Because it would be too expensive to do all 700.
So AI wouldn’t cost us jobs, it would just enable us to do more.
bstow@nixCraft Not yet publicly disclosed: AI is the product manager for Microsoft Teams.
veeso@nixCraft I'm not sure, could AI do worse?
@nixCraft So that's why even PewDiePie is migrating to Linux, ok now everything is clear 🤔
Nicole ParsonsIt also explains why Microsoft, like other tech companies, is getting flooded with investment dollars by petrostate despots.
Achieving a permanent surveillance state has been a long held goal of the fossil fuel industry. The Orwellian Big Brother has arrived.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/25/a-controversial-mideast-partner-to-microsoft-openai-global-ambitions.html
https://www.middleeastainews.com/p/saudi-to-form-100b-ai-group-microsoft
https://coingeek.com/saudi-arabia-eyes-ai-integration-in-media-under-microsoft-deal/
https://thefintechtimes.com/microsoft-brings-azure-databricks-ai-capabilities-to-saudi-arabia/
♾️ Water@nixCraft don't pretend #Microsoft products were better before gen #ai. They are so incredibly incompetent, they don't need ai to prank the world with comicly bad software.
jailandrade@nixCraft that explains Teams
OGJester has moved@nixCraft Microsoft needs to cease all development for the next five years and divert all resources to fixing the giant garbage heap they pass off as an “operating” system. I can’t believe this company still exists.