EFF Leads Prominent Security Experts in Urging Trump Administration to Leave Chris Krebs Alone

SAN FRANCISCO – The Trump Administration must cease its politically motivated investigation of former U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Director Christopher Krebs, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and dozens of prominent cybersecurity and election security experts urged...

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Or some other slightly deprecated inanimate object full of crumbs.
If you’re in a place of privilege (not trans, immigrant, etc) this is exactly what you would have done in Germany 1938.
Sorry, it’s harsh, but true.

@hacks4pancakes

agree.

As German I watch with horror the repeat of history

@theAeon @hacks4pancakes Though the discontent and early backlash / fallout is happening earlier and, thanks to the internet, more visibly. There may still be hope.

But the US’s reputation is ruined for generations in the world. Nobody is going to trust them anytime soon.

@hacks4pancakes
lol, im not going into a camp. i know what these sign letters are used for in the future. they are come get me list, i may be a decenter lol.
@ChickenPwny @hacks4pancakes do you think this will go away without ppl even speaking out?

@bws @hacks4pancakes

trump is deporting all the people who held a student visa who spoke out. it is only a matter of time and pressure before he turns on the citizens. I'm a nobody with a family, people with more influence and pwoer are being targeted

@bws @hacks4pancakes i tell you what happen on farms to the loudest rooster. lol

@ChickenPwny @hacks4pancakes "

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
"
Martin Niemöller

@bws

im not going to be buillied into signing a letter, to only have that letter used later against me. if trump is who you say he is then such things would be foolish.

@bws they had the local jews all register to protect them in Germany. then used those same list as a registry to hunt them all down.
@ChickenPwny not trying to bully anyone into it, sorry if it feela that way. In general im still trying to get an answer to the question "do you think this will go away without ppl even speaking up?"
@bws trump will read that list and feel inspired to do anything other than hand it over to his FBI goon Patel.

@ChickenPwny Wow, you managed to live all your life without getting on any list that US Nazis might use? Never ever stood up for anything worth protecting? I have a hard time imagining such a life. Maybe you really are a toaster?

Edit: Barely any Germans went to camps. Unless they were gay or Communists, Germans were the group that had the least reason to be afraid. Yet almost all of them chose to stay silent, and so the Nazis prevailed. Think about it.

@hacks4pancakes

@WPalant

they didn't have to really, they could just send them into the meat grinder. i am unsure what history books you read from but nazis dragged political oppenants out of bed and beat them.

Within days of the Reichstag Fire, and the resulting presidential decree for the Protection of the People and State (February 28), the SA and SS escalated the violence against Nazi political opponents. Thousands of Communists and Social Democrats were arrested and jailed. In March—April 1933, an estimated 40,000 to 50,000 political foes were taken into “protective custody” (Schutzhaft) and imprisoned in concentration camps. The SA and SS routinely beat up and tortured political opponents and vandalized, looted, or destroyed leftist parties’ offices. Sometimes, individuals were murdered.

Not even individuals holding political office at the local or national level were safe from such violence. Some 500 municipal administrators and 70 mayors were forcibly removed from their positions by the end of May 1933. By the end of spring the violence had spread to non-leftist political figures. On June 26, Heinrich Himmler, the head of Bavaria’s political police and the head of the Nazi SS, ordered his forces to place all Reichstag and state assembly representatives from the Bavarian People’s Party in “protective custody.”

On July 14, 1933, Hitler’s government passed a law prohibiting all other political parties, except the Nazi Party, and banning the formation of new political parties. By this stage all of Germany’s many parties had either been closed down or ordered to dissolve themselves.

@WPalant are you american? XD they pretty much routinely beat any opposition.
@WPalant you know naZIS used these kind of list to find people who had any form of opposition to their political idioliitigly. it is basically a calling card to come mess with you.

@ChickenPwny There wouldn’t be a meat grinder, had the German population spoken up. E.g. during the pogroms of 1938 or (preferably) when repressions against various groups were installed earlier.

Yes, Nazis did act against political enemies. As I said, Communists and generally influential individuals were at risk. General population wasn’t, and wide discontent in the general population was something that Nazis couldn’t deal with.

I live in Germany, so I take an interest in this stuff. Particularly today, when I’m on so many lists that could make me unpopular with the next government.

@hacks4pancakes

@WPalant

People did speak out 🙀 they just got put in camps you understand?

@WPalant you should know more given you are a German shame on you
@ChickenPwny I didn’t say that I am German (things would be a lot easier if I were). And I do know a lot on this topic. But this isn’t the right place to discuss it. We are both living through that history repeating itself, and we both make our decisions. I hope you will be able to live with yours.

@WPalant

shame on you. i don't think people can have discussions with bullies.

@hacks4pancakes
I'm feeling pretty comfortable on that side.

You know, also wildly aware that nothing I can ever possibly do will be enough, and terrified that it will be too little, too late, or the wrong focus or threat model in the places inside my scope of potential control.

@hacks4pancakes although “some other slightly deprecated inanimate object full of crumbs” is a fair to middlin’ description of me as well!
@hacks4pancakes lets go with "fax machine" 😁
@kluthulhu anyway it’s a list your grandkids can check someday to see you weren’t a Nazi
@hacks4pancakes thank you for your moral clarity on this. This comment is why I signed, even though I’m nobody and really uncomfortable adding my name to lists. If I was already too afraid to stand up for THIS, NOW, then I’d stand for nothing, ever.
@hacks4pancakes talky the toaster indeed

@hacks4pancakes

I signed. I decided that doing QC for ERP systems is part of the infosec infrastructure, even if it isn't technically in my job title.

@hacks4pancakes I'd rather be a toaster than paint a target on myself. I love the idea of this, but this is building a list of easy targets. Anonymous protest is safer for those of us who are vulnerable. Additionally, the form is a Microsoft form, did the EFF not see Satya Nadella kiss the ring at the inauguration? Even if EFF doesn't share the full list, Microsoft surely has it and I'm sure the admin would be happy to have it.
@hacks4pancakes
there wasn't any indication how frequently the letter is updated.

@hacks4pancakes good on the EFF for standing up!

Looking forward to some RSAC talks this week, seems like there is at least one poking this with a stick.

@hacks4pancakes I'm not a prominent security expert, but I've happily signed. Fuck this regime and the bullshit they keep trying to pull.

#FuckTrump

@hacks4pancakes I signed it, though I am not a pro.
@jerry @hacks4pancakes Did you sign it "Supreme Master of InfoSec community"?
@Cyberoutsider @hacks4pancakes “Infosec imposter” would be more appropriate
@jerry @hacks4pancakes hopefully they don't go "everyone who signed this is aiding and abetting a domestic terrorist" and send a kidnap squad to your homes
@hacks4pancakes I read nothing that non-US security people shouldn't sign. So I did 😉

@masek Right you are. I signed as well.

@hacks4pancakes

@hacks4pancakes I'm not very prominent in the security field (hell, I'm not even in it!) but I signed all the same.
@hacks4pancakes Done. Come at me fascists, I'm proud to have my name on this letter.
@hacks4pancakes I signed yesterday , but it doesn't look like @eff is updating the published version with new signatures.